[MAP]Fortress Resurrection BETA4

[divVerent]

I just wonder why we have this discussion at all. Whether or not it is LEGAL to use the data produced by the NONCOMMERCIAL version of terragen for COMMERCIAL purposes (which includes the GPL), is one question. But even if it is legal - it for sure is wrong. Use the commercial version then, or ask the terragen people that question (maybe they will say that GPL is still okay to them, or offer you a registration that allows GPL redistribution at a lower price than the usual).

If people abuse their rights to no end, the consequence is that they lose their rights. Just look to the music industry. DMCA wouldn't have happened if people had kept their copying and file sharing at a moderate level. Games wouldn't usually have a copy protection which makes them not work on some systems if people would sometimes BUY games. And they wouldn't have anticheat software that takes full control over your system and lets attackers in if there weren't these pesky aimbotters who use an aimbot to get an advantage in a public or even competition game (IMHO there is nothing wrong with using one in a "fair" game, like, a LAN game where everyone uses aimbot, or where people KNOW about it).

[divVerent]

Adding to that aimbotter example - the PB clan sometimes enables cheats on their private server. They then all switch to god mode and mess around, or build player towers, such stuff. Of course the game is not for SHOOTING any more them... but this does not make it wrong what they do.

And why should we not have competitions of aim+walkbot AIs, where people send in modded cheat engines that will compete against each other with no user control?

The only reason why we do not want that is that others would take these programs and use them in online play to gain an advantage. I once coded a simple aimbot for Nexuiz - and never played with it on a public server, but just used it to record a video as an example of how some kind of cheats may look when spectated. Am I a cheater for that now? Nope. But I would be, if I had used that on a public server.

Same goes for the wallhack I once coded, which was especially evil - showed players just in team color, and also highlighted quads behind walls. I used it to debug sv_cullentities_trace - and to verify that a wallhack no longer gains you any noticable advantage in Nexuiz 2.3. I originally thought of using it to record a video to show the public what the wallhack prevention does, but I didn't because people may get the wrong idea when watching it.

[A8hm]

"So when using the free terragen version means that the map can't be distributed in Nigeria, you can't stick the GPL on it any more. "

Nope, terragen INC does not hold copyright on the works you create from it no matter how you aquired terragen. Stop lying please, I beg you. You don't even have any knowlege of contract law let alone copyright law.

No matter what license texteditorforwindows is under, the writings you create in texteditorforwindows are yours [you own the copyrights to them]. The same goes for any editing program including terragen.

Thirdly you can use that trial period window if you're shaking in your boots about making images under the GPL as another poster said.

Also the USA is the most important juristiction. Where the USA goes the world follows and the world continues in existence at the grace of the USA [ex: the USA could destroy any country it wished to at any time, same goes for Russia to an extent]. I know europeans hate the USA but that is the fact. We will never protect you again that is for sure however. We keep you from the Russian Bear and when you think he's gone you stab us in the eye. He's back thanks to Putin.

You own the copyrights to your works. Keep repeating that. Don't fear the terragen. If you do fear terragen then write your own terragen and make it opensource if you need that.

[A8hm]

I just wonder why we have this discussion at all. Whether or not it is LEGAL to use the data produced by the NONCOMMERCIAL version of terragen for COMMERCIAL purposes (which includes the GPL), is one question. But even if it is legal - it for sure is wrong. Use the commercial version then, or ask the terragen people that question (maybe they will say that GPL is still okay to them, or offer you a registration that allows GPL redistribution at a lower price than the usual).

If people abuse their rights to no end, the consequence is that they lose their rights. Just look to the music industry. DMCA wouldn't have happened if people had kept their copying and file sharing at a moderate level. Games wouldn't usually have a copy protection which makes them not work on some systems if people would sometimes BUY games. And they wouldn't have anticheat software that takes full control over your system and lets attackers in if there weren't these pesky aimbotters who use an aimbot to get an advantage in a public or even competition game (IMHO there is nothing wrong with using one in a "fair" game, like, a LAN game where everyone uses aimbot, or where people KNOW about it).

Rights are granted by God, not by Governments. This is the founding principle of the USA [and one europe does not believe in, you neither believe in God]. I know you here dislike the USA but you exist on our whim [and the whim of Russia] so you shoul d be nicer to your masters. The DMCA came into existence before online copyright infringement was a blip on the radar. I remeber it. Speeds were too slow back then to even do any of that. The DMCA came into existence because the brainwashing industry wanted concrete control. You can continue believing fairytales and lies but please do not push these onto other people and tell them what they can and cannot do with the programs they use when you are ignorant of the law. Eulas are not valid contracts, they are supplied in a vain attempt to scare people into not pirating the material.

[C.Brutail]

Maybe a mod can split these two topics ? I don't think C. Brutail started this thread to talk about loopholes in international law.

I totally agree. Stop this BS in my thread please.
I've started the thread (tho I haven't pointed it out), to show the progress on the map, and to allow you (the players) to report remaining bugs in the map, give me your ideas about what the it still needs, worship me, etc. etc. etc.

I know about two texture bugs, both in the blue base.
Someone asked what the final version will bring? All corrected texture issues, normalmaps for all textures, _maybe_ a new skybox, iproved vis, and a special gift from Morphed (it's somehow related to the roots of the map )

Stay tuned.

[Xeno]

A8hm (a.k.a. MikeUSA,)... why do you undermine your own argumentative standpoint by posting ridiculous shite about America's hegemony, blah blah blah. It truly is people like you who give Americans a bad name everywhere. Pull your head out of your fat ass and keep your arguments on track. When someone has to resort to "and I'm so much better than you because of this, and people from your country don't get that, blah fucking blah" as an argument, you can pretty much tell that they've run out of valid points.

Btw, rights are given by the Flying Spaghetti Monster... you should sacrifice some grated cheese in appreciation of His Noodly Appendage's benevolence. Btw, those same rights are also granted to women.

[divVerent]

Rights are granted by God, not by Governments. [...] The DMCA came into existence because the brainwashing industry wanted concrete control.

So the RIAA is God.

[Strahlemann]

Maybe a mod can split these two topics ? I don't think C. Brutail started this thread to talk about loopholes in international law.

[A8hm]

Maybe a mod can split these two topics ? I don't think C. Brutail started this thread to talk about loopholes in international law.

I totally agree. Stop this BS in my thread please.
I've started the thread (tho I haven't pointed it out), to show the progress on the map, and to allow you (the players) to report remaining bugs in the map, give me your ideas about what the it still needs, worship me, etc. etc. etc.

I know about two texture bugs, both in the blue base.
Someone asked what the final version will bring? All corrected texture issues, normalmaps for all textures, _maybe_ a new skybox, iproved vis, and a special gift from Morphed (it's somehow related to the roots of the map )

Stay tuned.

Div said you CANNOT make a new skybox in terragen. Obey him! Rights are granted by God as per US belief. Those rights always exist. If a government or other entity attempt to deny those rights you destroy that entity.

[A8hm]

A8hm (a.k.a. MikeUSA,)... why do you undermine your own argumentative standpoint by posting ridiculous shite about America's hegemony, blah blah blah. It truly is people like you who give Americans a bad name everywhere. Pull your head out of your fat ass and keep your arguments on track. When someone has to resort to "and I'm so much better than you because of this, and people from your country don't get that, blah fucking blah" as an argument, you can pretty much tell that they've run out of valid points.

Btw, rights are given by the Flying Spaghetti Monster... you should sacrifice some grated cheese in appreciation of His Noodly Appendage's benevolence. Btw, those same rights are also granted to women.

I explained US law, div just accused me of lying and then brought up Nigeria. What else can I do? He doesn't accept my argument because I am talking about US law. US law is diffrent from canadian is diffrent from german is diffrent from mexican law. You cannot obey the laws of every country on earth as they are incompatable. Even laws within the same country can be incompatable with each other. AKA? What?