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Re: An idea for the hook... and another idea while I'm at it

Postby Shoe » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:01 am

Xeno The Blind wrote:Changing it from a "hook" to some sort of tractor beam to fit the weapon would probably be easy and make more sense too (it's just an ugly white line anyway, right?)..

I believe sv_hook_tarzan is the variable for controlling whether you swing (like Tarzan) or just go forward, like a tractor beam.

Having a max length to the hook would definitely make it more tactical to play with.
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Postby The mysterious Mr. 4m » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:09 am

"sv_hook_tarzan" only toggles the swinging effect. A "tractor beam" would pull objects toward you, instead of you being pulled by the hook.
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Re: An idea for the hook... and another idea while I'm at it

Postby Xeno » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:54 am

TVR wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:... which most of us agree is only fun for a few minutes.


The bias in the quoted statement is mutually exclusive to any objectivity of the sentences proceeding.


That's one of the things I like about you, TVR... the silliness of your statements is directly proportional to the degree to which you overextend your eloquence for pure rhetorical effect.

Now, if you truly wish to appear as hyper-intellectual on a gaming forum, which in and of itself is highly pretentious, I'll play along. Yes, the statement itself is subject to a sample bias and extrapolation of any conclusions thus drawn to the whole population (read: Nexuiz community) is prone to error. Nevertheless, when one considers that the sample in question is a large part of the core CTF community and that the same are generally the ones who respond to such threads, the bias is not as great in relation to the intended audience. While arguments such as "everyone I know" etc are generally flawed if applied to much larger populations, the validity of such extrapolations increase as the fraction of the sample size to the population increases.

It appears that you're looking for a forum in which such posts would be based on careful statistical analysis of survey data, free from the author's own biases etc. I therefore take it upon myself to remind you that this is a gaming forum and that you need to lighten up.

TVR wrote:There already do exist CVars for adjusting all the properties for the grappling hook I have imagined so far.

Another pretentious statement. Rather than supply the cvars that you believe exist, you simply state that all the ones that YOU've imagine already exist, as if to come across as superior in that you've had this idea before.

TVR wrote:Doing it and an on-hand grappling hook provides no positive difference to existing gameplay

I'm not sure what you were referring to here, as the text that you quoted above this statement doesn't appear to correspond to it. Perhaps you meant the idea of adding the hook to the laser and changing it to a tractor beam. That would definitely change gameplay as it would make hook usage mutually exclusive with other weapons.

Also, I'm not aware of ever having placed Nexuiz with a hook that had a distance limited to the one mentioned in my post. Still, I cannot possibly imagine that hook range would have no practical implication for gameplay.

TVR wrote:This is Nexuiz, with the sole purpose of being Nexuiz, a simple, fast, intense shooter - Warsow exists for the purpose of being Warsow.

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Postby Dokujisan » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:35 pm

You know what is strange, for someone who seems to put so much effort into mulling over details, TVR provides so little substance to discussions. :?

Anyway, I like when discussions end up with breaking out the college words and using less common speech patterns. :-)
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Postby The mysterious Mr. 4m » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:26 pm

MUTINY!
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Postby :) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:29 am

TVR, your entire existence is undermined by using "proceeding" instead of "preceding".
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Postby TVR » Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:13 am

Xeno The Blind wrote:
TVR wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:... which most of us agree is only fun for a few minutes.


The bias in the quoted statement is mutually exclusive to any objectivity of the sentences proceeding.


Nevertheless, when one considers that the sample in question is a large part of the core CTF community, and that the same are generally the ones who respond to such threads, the bias is not as great in relation to the intended audience.


'One' is a only a shortened equivalent of 'everyone', or 'anyone', and the usage of the term to express a personal interpretation is a misrepresentation.

A definite article, 'the', should not be used, especially to define a subjective term, if objectivity is to remain.

'Generally' & 'great' are intensifiers, and also should not be used if objectivity is to remain.

'Is', when used without an explicit pronoun, is a factual statement, therefore it should not be used if the actual statement is false or subjective.

Xeno The Blind wrote:... validity of such extrapolations increase as the fraction of the sample size to the population increases.


The sample or population have yet to be established; furthermore, it would subsist as partial if done by a personal analysis.

Xeno The Blind wrote:It appears that you're looking for a forum in which such posts would be based on careful statistical analysis of survey data, free from the author's own biases etc. I therefore take it upon myself to remind you that this is a gaming forum and that you need to lighten up.


Context is irrelevant to the discussion of methods of true verification

Xeno The Blind wrote:
TVR wrote:There already do exist CVars for adjusting all the properties for the grappling hook I have imagined so far.

Another pretentious statement. Rather than supply the cvars that you believe exist, you simply state that all the ones that YOU've imagine already exist, as if to come across as superior in that you've had this idea before.


TVR had actually wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:... My idea is to add a var to ... [the grappling] hook ...
Maybe we could even set it as the laser secondary fire. ...


Xeno The Blind wrote:... Changing it from a "hook" to some sort of tractor beam ...


There already do exist CVars for adjusting all the properties for the grappling hook I have imagined so far, this is inclusive of your requests with the exception of an on-hand grappling hook, I assume a 'tractor beam' is property change, rather than a cosmetic change.


Xeno The Blind wrote:
TVR wrote:This is Nexuiz, with the sole purpose of being Nexuiz, a simple, fast, intense shooter - Warsow exists for the purpose of being Warsow.

:roll:


Why bother making Nexuiz similar to Warsow, when Warsow already fills that niche?

Dave wrote:TVR, your entire existence is undermined by using "proceeding" instead of "preceding".


Re-evaluate that statement, recheck the referenced post to reread the quoted post, recheck definitions & differences between 'proceeding' & 'preceding'.
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Postby Blµb » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:40 am

TVR wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:The other idea, while we're on movement... I'd like to see the Warsow special movement key in Nexuiz (maybe tweaked to suit Nexuiz instead of a direct clone, but wall jumps and dashes would be amazing).


This is Nexuiz, with the sole purpose of being Nexuiz, a simple, fast, intense shooter - Warsow exists for the purpose of being Warsow.

I hate simple ;)

TVR wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:
TVR wrote:
Xeno The Blind wrote:... which most of us agree is only fun for a few minutes.


The bias in the quoted statement is mutually exclusive to any objectivity of the sentences proceeding.


Nevertheless, when one considers that the sample in question is a large part of the core CTF community, and that the same are generally the ones who respond to such threads, the bias is not as great in relation to the intended audience.


'One' is a only a shortened equivalent of 'everyone', or 'anyone', and the usage of the term to express a personal interpretation is a misrepresentation.

A definite article, 'the', should not be used, especially to define a subjective term, if objectivity is to remain.

'Generally' & 'great' are intensifiers, and also should not be used if objectivity is to remain.

'Is', when used without an explicit pronoun, is a factual statement, therefore it should not be used if the actual statement is false or subjective.

:roll:

... meh
Could we get back to the topic?

TVR wrote:Why bother making Nexuiz similar to Warsow, when Warsow already fills that niche?


Why bother making an FPS if there are so many FPS' out there already?
The dash button is a nice feature, and could really be useful. It does NOT make Nexuiz a Warsow clone.
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Postby The mysterious Mr. 4m » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:29 am

And may i ask what is this so called "Dash Button"? Can you roughly explain, in short simple terms, what it does and how it works?
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Postby Blµb » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:48 am

4m wrote:And may i ask what is this so called "Dash Button"? Can you roughly explain, in short simple terms, what it does and how it works?

As far as I've seen it (only played it for a short time), it's an alternate way to "jump". You can jump off a wall when you're in mid air next to a wall. Or from the ground you do a jump similar to UT's dodge-jumps iirc?

whatever, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzsbg9ZNsaA
or youtube search for other dash jump videos in warsow :)
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