Where is the TeamNexFortress addittion?

[tZork]

I mean accessable by default by either game using the same data directory (maybe system linked).

ex:
ls /usr/share/games/someplace/data/
nexuizdata823985928345.pk3
aldata879879709709.pk3

that way the data is avail to both games, mappers thus know that their maps can use all the textures without worrying about if the person may or, maybe, may not perhaps have the data.

some of the textures by evillair will proly make it into Alaris, but not neerly enougth of them to justify Alaris beeing dependednt on you having Nexuiz installs as well. Also, this would create an unplesently complex dependancy chain. so sry, but this wont happen.

[person]

Could the nexuiz team pick up team nexuiz as a game type for 1.7?

[tZork]

Im not sure what you are asking here, if its "can the Nexuiz team (alientrap) pick up the development without any license issues or sutch" the answer is yes, its GPL. If its a request to the Alintrap team to pick it up for 1.7 i cant answer that, you would have to ask them - try #alientrap at irc.anynet.org.

[person2]

Yes, I'm asking about the team taking it up as a new gametype.

[esteel]

I think T:N is more then a simple game-mode. Its more like a new game as its very different from Nexuiz. Its class based and the general gameplay is also very much changed. It was a good idea to develop it as a mod for Nexuiz.
However it would be worth to take a look at the maps as Nexuiz needs more TDM and CTF maps

[person2]

Make it a game mode then. There isn't much diffrence between a gamemode and a mod: example: UT's assault mode or the newer UT's war modes... could be seperate games... but they are game modes. Mods were created as a concept because people couldn't get to the source code of the closed source games to add their new gametypes to the game directly. This is opensource and we are not constrained in that way.

(PS I am making some maps for you (all gpld))

[divVerent]

Make it a game mode then. There isn't much diffrence between a gamemode and a mod: example: UT's assault mode or the newer UT's war modes... could be seperate games... but they are game modes. Mods were created as a concept because people couldn't get to the source code of the closed source games to add their new gametypes to the game directly. This is opensource and we are not constrained in that way.

(PS I am making some maps for you (all gpld))

A new gametype like T:N would essential mean "same engine, completely different game". A mutator would be a small code change. T:N is certainly more than just that. Plus it's based on an REALLY OLD Nexuiz version which makes it impossible to merge now.

Your point being?

[person2]

Make it a game mode then. There isn't much diffrence between a gamemode and a mod: example: UT's assault mode or the newer UT's war modes... could be seperate games... but they are game modes. Mods were created as a concept because people couldn't get to the source code of the closed source games to add their new gametypes to the game directly. This is opensource and we are not constrained in that way.

(PS I am making some maps for you (all gpld))

A new gametype like T:N would essential mean "same engine, completely different game". A mutator would be a small code change. T:N is certainly more than just that. Plus it's based on an REALLY OLD Nexuiz version which makes it impossible to merge now.

You're just lazy. You don't want to give the people what they want, it is time to stop being a developer and pass the torch onto someone else, you are unneeded and just a sarcastic hinderance to progress.

Your point being?

So people similar to you don't accuse me of being what you are (lazy).

However you are convincing me that making maps for the nexuiz community is a thankless job.

[divVerent]

A new gametype like T:N would essential mean "same engine, completely different game". A mutator would be a small code change. T:N is certainly more than just that. Plus it's based on an REALLY OLD Nexuiz version which makes it impossible to merge now.

You're just lazy. You don't want to give the people what they want, it is time to stop being a developer and pass the torch onto someone else, you are unneeded and just a sarcastic hinderance to progress.

Obviously you haven't read my post.

A total conversion is better not done by putting if-then-else stuff all over the code. As QuakeC isn't an OO language and ALSO quite slow to interpret, you certainly would not want that. Not just maintainability would suffer, but also CPU load.

Also, why do YOU think Counterstrike isn't a just a simple change in Halflife? Tactical Ops isn't just a simple change of Unreal Tournament? Urban Terror isn't just a simple change of Quake 3 Arena? All of them have a separate game code - just like T:N.

Yes, we _could_ "merge" T:N and Nexuiz also another way - a global flag to indicate which of these "games" is being run, and setting all the function pointers up the correct way. It would in fact work. But you will see that these would still be quite separate from each other. Sorry, it is a total conversion, not just a game mode.

What we COULD do is creating a second game directory - why not call it TeamNexuiz - and put it next to the Nexuiz directory. Move "generally" interesting data (textures, maybe some maps) over to Nexuiz and having just the T:N code in the T:N directory.

Now wait... this already has been done! T:N is just next to Nexuiz in SVN. And they indeed run on the same engine. So what's your problem?

Next problem - who is interested in T:N anyway? The ones who are have gone to Project Alaris, which is the successor of T:N. There were quite some reasons for the rewrite. I know it might insult someone else here, but usually you rewrite code because it became unmaintainable. That is, when larger structural changes were needed. Exactly this has happened to T:N and made a rewrite necessary. Look at the code in SVN to know what I mean.

But, as it's a complete rewrite anyway, they also decided to use another engine and programming language. Why not, when you are doing a rewrite anyway, THAT is the time to decide such things. As it will be no longer QC based and no longer be based on the Nexuiz game code, the name Team:Nexuiz isn't appropriate any more and it's instead called Project Alaris.

[tChr]

So you don't accuse me of being what you are (lazy).

However you are convincing me that making maps for the nexuiz community is a thankless job.

I will not add to escalating this beginngin of a flame war, but I'm quite sure the current mappers will tell you that this community is very good at nice and quick feedback, and express enjoyment for any work layed down.

It seem like you have experience with working with open source projects and communities, but make no mistake, so have I, this year alone I've put down more than 1600 hours (thats more than half my worktime) wrking for and with Open Source projects, and I've been doing this for a long time. Please take my word for it when I tell you, this is one of the better communities I've seen, both in work effort laid down, feedback, and politeness.

Anyone flamin further about this will do nothing but prove themselves to be inexperienced and being exatly what they accuse others of being.

Hitler would have said so. There The discussion is over! I lost, and I'm quite content with that.