I get pwnd by weapon X, Nerf weapon X NOW, it is retarted t

[tundramagi]

Sure, there are always new ideas, but this attitude is not representative for the community in general.

It doesn't have to be. If one player constantly complains about some weapon, it gets nerfed. The reason he constantly complains (rather than change the settings to his liking on his own server) is that he doesn't want to be beaten on other people's servers.

Now alpha wants the new testing RL to be further nerfed (allready being tested at 120 dmg rather than 150) down to 110 because his clansmate beat him on some ctf maps with it.

Some players just do not want to be beaten, and they will demand that whatever weapon is being used by more skilled players be nerfed. They will complain untill it's done.

It's annoying how sucky the weapons are. That's why I often use fastweapons.cfg... default weapons just suck and are not fun.

[Lee_Stricklin]

Here's an idea: instead of bitching actually take the time to learn how to use every weapon. Much like UT99 (the later ones are different story) the weapons have a rock/paper/scissors balance to them and are pretty much even with one another. There's always a situation where one weapon is best used over another. Even the laser and shotgun have situations where they are suited better than the other guns.

[tundramagi]

Here's an idea: instead of bitching actually take the time to learn how to use every weapon. Much like UT99 (the later ones are different story) the weapons have a rock/paper/scissors balance to them and are pretty much even with one another. There's always a situation where one weapon is best used over another. Even the laser and shotgun have situations where they are suited better than the other guns.

Na, man na, if someone is Pwning me with some weapons, THAT weapon needs to be nerfed.
And then if once that weapon is nerfed (which is what happens when some player complains day and night about a weapons)... and I start getting Pwnd with some other weapon... well then THAT weapon needs to be nerfed too (and ofcourse I'll complain from here till forever untill it gets nerfed)... untill all weapons are nerfed and then I must start complaining again about whatever is the strongest nerf weapon... which then must be nerfed again.

Don't you learn anything from alpha and the like (kojn who want's explosions not to explode because he gets pwnd by exploooooodies).

Get with the program dawg.

PS: Alpha is nicknamed Alpha because he IS the Alpha-Player: meaning that if something is causing him to get pwnd.... it is NOT a problem with his skill but a problem with THE GAME and it MUST BE STOPPED/FIXED.

[Lee_Stricklin]

lol

[GreEn`mArine]

What makes people pissed is:

Quite a few people learnt how to be very efficient with weapons such as nexgun (with v2.5.1 dmg).

Other people (not mentioning names) probably haven't. They suggest to make the weapon weaker because they get killed with it quite often (especially by the people I mentioned before).

The change actually is done due to the majority of people asking for it (I assume there are more weaker players than stronger players).

Now the stronger people are pissed, imo, solely because they have to re-learn their combos and the way how to play the game (it's not that they will become weaker in the end, after practicing they will win using other ways).

In the end changing damage can be beneficial for the way a game is played (e.g. make it more tactical). But after a while, imo, it will ruin the balance between health <-> damage of weapons, as when you reduce damage of one weapon eventually you have to reduce the damage of other weapons too, and some day we have Q3-like damage and Nexuiz-like health which results in competitive games ending 4:2 or so

[alpha]

I am all for 4-2

[ai]

I actually agree with MikeeUSA here. People should stop trying to nerf weapons and stuff. It has worked beautifully until Alpha showed up. (Crylink is an exception), but not many (if any) people complained about Nex damage or RL (RL's secondary not included). People even complained that Electro is too strong with it's combo and wanted to nerf that with limited Electro balls and such.

I'm against changing stuff that has worked fine until a single person comes and complains a lot cause he doesn't like it or is used to other games weapon damage.
I fully support Mike on this.

[mand1nga]

The nex damage wasn't lowered because Alpha wanted it, he just started a discussion (in a really childish way), in the middle of the noise some valid points were raised and thats why it got changed, like happened with many other weapons. Also divVerent is running weapon statistics on his servers, the weapon balance is adjusted based on this information.

It would be nice if someday you stop bitching about every change on the defaults, you should realize how hard it is for a developer to keep improving the game and also keep everyone happy at the same time. It would be better if you provide a simple explanation about why you disagree with a change, and if you can't do this on a civilized way just configure your server/s according to your taste and shut the hell up.

[morfar]

I'm both against and for changing weapons all the time.
Evolution is nice though.

[ai]

Changing weapons is nice, I'm not against that. I'm just against always nerfing weapons. Crylink is pretty much the only weapon which got increased damage, all others are nerfed which I dislike. Like this new RL targeting thing I'm not against, granted I haven't tried it yet which also makes me indifferent to the change until I try it and see what I think.