Let's change the name of this game

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Added Mon Jan 5 12:42:09 2009 UTC (6 months ago) by div0

Committing eggandbacon, so we have a "weapon zoo" map where they all can be tried out.

But you two don't actually rebalance the weapons, nor create new ones, therefore have no use for eggandbacon.

The hypocrisy of this comment is so LOL.

It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, in a specific way, despite the fact it's utilizing entities from another game type (CTF). Yet it's included in the game.

While a map like CyberParcour which arguably targets a niche of a greater population is hated upon.


I'm all for a 'weapon zoo' for testing, but eggandbacon is a bit drab. I'd hope we could do a little better than that, especially since it's a horrible way to teach CTF which it ends up being included on a default CTF server by default with g_maplist "".


And for the record, since you like reading the SVN log so much, why don't you check out the patch submissions in the tracker, get your head out of your ass and realize I too have been working with weapons, flags and other pickups. I also send divVerent weapon statistics from my servers for balancing reasons. I think these things would justify my use of the map but it doesn't mean I think it should be included in the core distribution.

I made a crappy map for testing flag effects by keeping them in close proximity, that'd be a stupid thing to put in the game.

[divVerent]

Well, eggandbacon has to stay until another map in the game utilizes the new weapons. However, there'd be too much resistance against changing the EXISTING maps to include new weapons. So eggandbacon is the only way for the time being.

I do hope too someone will make a new map for CTF and one for DM using the new weapons, so eggandbacon is no longer needed.

Also, eggandbacon DOES look good, especially if compared with the top-notch nexuiz quality map "ons-reborn"

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For the record, I mean no offense to you work but when players download a 3d FPS in 2009, I don't think that's the type of map they expect to see as it does not highlight much about the game. Sure there are all weapons and possibly ~some~ visual tests but obviously nothing that shows off the true power of the engine and I think it can be considered a turn-off to new players.

[divVerent]

I doubt it is a turn-off to new players as it is a quite popular CTF map - although it was never meant to be popular.

I meant it as a JOKE. Dig out the original post to find that out. That people actually liked to play it still makes me wonder. So what, it IS popular, and it IS liked by large amounts of players, so why not save them the download.

However, I have no problems with setting the map to "hidden", except that people will then wonder where all these weapons are the documentation talks about. What I really want is a REAL map with the weapons. But not even desertfactory contains any new ones, and touching any of the old maps to add the weapons is clearly a no-go.

[TVR]

... It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, ...

It's comprehensive game testing map worth its share of rounds, anyone can use it to test new gamecode, or just CVar modifications including CTF scoring.

As everyone has eggandbacon, there's no need to provide a separate download, anyone can join a listen server testing modifications.

[tundramagi]

EggAndBacon is in the same category as SilverCity:
it's a way for the code developer's architectual style to be showcased.

Sure, they may not copy the quake3 way, like other maps do, but don't they deserve to have atleast one map in? To have their name on something that is seen?

LH made a big box map with sky walks, with a slightly steampunk feel with the struts connecting everything. Later fog was added.
Div made a (very popular) death box. Maybe the plus in the middle can be embellished, or the textue that changes color in the other version of this map added to the walls?

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But you two don't actually rebalance the weapons, nor create new ones, therefore have no use for eggandbacon.

... It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, ...

It's comprehensive game testing map worth its share of rounds, anyone can use it to test new gamecode, or just CVar modifications including CTF scoring.

As everyone has eggandbacon, there's no need to provide a separate download, anyone can join a listen server testing modifications.

Sure and by that logic (where you're clearly going against your original point), CyberParcour can be used to test game physics..


Also, was curl recently removed from Nexuiz? Because as far as I know, it's simple enough to host and download a map.

[C.Brutail]

I haven't read the whole thread,but here's my opinion anyway: Imho cyber-parkour should stay in SVN, simply for two reasons: it is very good looking,and tough I can't beat it for myself either,it's challenging.Imho there's nothing wrong with that,if there are easier to beat,and hard as hell race maps. They give variety,challenge and a learning curve to players.In case it turns out it's too hard to beat,simply don't include it in the campaign.

[tundramagi]

Well, eggandbacon has to stay until another map in the game utilizes the new weapons. However, there'd be too much resistance against changing the EXISTING maps to include new weapons. So eggandbacon is the only way for the time being.

I do hope too someone will make a new map for CTF and one for DM using the new weapons, so eggandbacon is no longer needed.

Also, eggandbacon DOES look good, especially if compared with the top-notch nexuiz quality map "ons-reborn"

I have alot of maps where one can test all the weapons .
Though I'm sure no one would want them in.

EggsAndBacon is one of the most played maps btw... If you embellish it abit it will look better.

[divVerent]

You don't even READ the argument I posted. No other official map has the weapons the game has. Thus, players read the docs, find "oh neat, a rifle", and cannot even FIND it in the game.

BTW, for this reason the tuba will not be documented. However, the other weapons already ARE, which makes sense because unofficial maps have them.

We need some mapper to make a GOOD looking map with all the weapons AND nexuiz worthy visual quality (i.e. anything above eggandbacon, especially this means deluxemapping and offsetmapping MUST work, which requires carefully done lighting).