Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

[halogene]

Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse. What makes this community so special, is that it always is open for friendly and civilized discussion. Even though the circumstances are enraging, we should not let ourselves get carried away by emotions. This would do the image of the Nexuiz community more harm than good.

I am not saying that I don't understand how you feel or that I don't feel the same way, though.

[Spaceman]

... The name is not sold, it is licensed ...

... you can use the name Nexuiz without obtaining a trademark approval ...

Contradiction: As the name was licensed, that implies someone owns it.

That also implies that someone received money from subcontracting the domain and trademark, a hallmark of corruption in a FOSS project.

I also would like some clarification of the Nexuiz name and brand.

[JeremyG]

Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse. What makes this community so special, is that it always is open for friendly and civilized discussion. Even though the circumstances are enraging, we should not let ourselves get carried away by emotions. This would do the image of the Nexuiz community more harm than good.

I am not saying that I don't understand how you feel or that I don't feel the same way, though.

I agree, +1

[cortez]

+1 for el_Barto den tunnichtgut

[djSupport]

I'd like to have my say.... Hi mum!

[tundramagi]

So one day in and censorship has allready been requested?
How long untill legal action is taken against depreciated-nexuiz?
I think kendron talked down to the people in this forum as if they were fawning consumers waiting for fish to drop into their mouths from above.
Most of us have made some content/maps/code/models/etc and know how it's done, and we have, before, worked on nexuiz stuff for "12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for two months", it's called finishing a map, making a game model, texturing stuff etc. His first announcement seemed to be that there would be NO release of ANY media or ANY sourcecode. Like not even a texture pack to fill out what we're missing (mayan textures, blue-tech look, etc). Not even a bone will be thrown.

It seems he talks to us like we are underlings.
Oh and since they bought the game code, the quake c, yes you who have contributed to the game code: they're using your stuff AND treating you like a child. Alot of us have contributed at least a few patches.

Now, vermillion is the one to talk about that because they got an indemnification agreement from him, after he represented himself as copyright owner. Now, ofcourse, they haven't released anything, and even when they do, even if some game code who's ownership was misrepresentated and thusly should be GPL was left in, all they would have to do (I think) would be to release said game code to a purchaser of their game who requested it and there would be no problems. Since there will be less features kept in than depreciated/normal-nexuiz this shouldn't be a problem. However there was an indemnification agreement so ... I dunno I havn't studied indemnifications... but apparently the only one who could be blaimed is vermillion. But... I don't see why one would want to attack a man who started nexuiz and gpl'd it to us in the first place, that would be pretty low.

Now there apparently is a royalty agreement, and if Illfonic doesn't reneg on that agreement, money will go to vermillion and I have heard that he will then pay it out to the contributors himself. So the deal could be helpful atleast to put "food on the table" of the people who contributed.

There is fear that that will never happen as media companies rarely pay out royalties they agreed to as it is cheaper to commit accounting fraud and risk a lawsuit that will likely never be filed as lawsuits cost more than the royalties may bring in.

I just wonder how long untill IllFonic sues us over the name or something else.
Seems like there's allready a bit of unhappyblood.

Why was he talking to us like we're children or consumers that don't know anything about the godly art of making videogame content and such.... that's what we _do_. Sure some of us might not be as good as them.... but some of us are (oblivion, morphed, tzork, etc).

[Mirio]

Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse. What makes this community so special, is that it always is open for friendly and civilized discussion. Even though the circumstances are enraging, we should not let ourselves get carried away by emotions. This would do the image of the Nexuiz community more harm than good.

I am not saying that I don't understand how you feel or that I don't feel the same way, though.

But this is a rare moment - almost everyone with the same opinion

[tZork]

Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse. What makes this community so special, is that it always is open for friendly and civilized discussion. Even though the circumstances are enraging, we should not let ourselves get carried away by emotions. This would do the image of the Nexuiz community more harm than good.

I am not saying that I don't understand how you feel or that I don't feel the same way, though.

Well this is one of those rare times where it actually could help. Its painfully obvious that IllFonic driving force in this is money, not that theres anything wrong with that in itself, but in this case its been allowed roll over all traces of reason, respect and plain manners on their behalf. Anyways, the point is that there are more then likely investors behind illfonics, "making" them use those NDA for example. If the shitstorm around IllFonic's Nexuiz reaches large enough proportions those investors may start to pressure IllFonic to do something abt it, witch in turn may finally make them realize they have to start treating the Nexuiz community with the respect it deserves and possibly even (lolright) offer something back.

So, if you like Nexuiz, and free software and plain manners.. Let your voice be heard! This deal is rotten to to core and everyone with half a brain will realize that when reading about it. Lets not stand idle by when commercial forces are allowed to trample on GPL and rape-murder one of the best fps gamer communities ever to exist.

It has to start somewhere, It has to start sometime.
What better place than here, what better time than now?

Its on.

[Lee_Stricklin]

Added kendron as foe.

[mand1nga]

Couldn't agree more with you tZork.