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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby halogene » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:25 pm

halogene wrote:Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse.

tZork wrote:Well this is one of those rare times where it actually could help.

I am not saying that we shouldn't spread the word. As I said in another thread publicity might be able to influence marketing decisions. But we have to make sure we communicate what has happened in a civilized manner. When we spread this with emotions flying high, many people will not even bother to read that stuff and think "oh boy, another troll".

In my opinion we should clearly state what has happened, how the community feels about it and how the community's efforts to find a compromise solution has been dealt with. In no event we should go shouting "CONSOLE NEXUIZ IS STOLEN IP!!!!111 DON'T BUY IT!!!111One!!!" In my opinion this just doesn't sound serious, no matter how well I can understand the urge to say something like that.

How about we work on an "official" press release kind of text that we can put onto other forums? Something that would be also suitable for slashdot and other news sites? Obviously it can't be an official press release, since the owner of the Nexuiz name and the "leader" of this project won't probably agree with what is contained in such a statement. If people think this is a good idea I would volounteer to make a text proposal.
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby FruitieX » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:36 pm

halogene wrote:How about we work on an "official" press release kind of text that we can put onto other forums? Something that would be also suitable for slashdot and other news sites? Obviously it can't be an official press release, since the owner of the Nexuiz name and the "leader" of this project won't probably agree with what is contained in such a statement. If people think this is a good idea I would volounteer to make a text proposal.

I agree.
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby Mirio » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:39 pm

FruitieX wrote:
halogene wrote:How about we work on an "official" press release kind of text that we can put onto other forums? Something that would be also suitable for slashdot and other news sites? Obviously it can't be an official press release, since the owner of the Nexuiz name and the "leader" of this project won't probably agree with what is contained in such a statement. If people think this is a good idea I would volounteer to make a text proposal.

I agree.

Yap, nice one :)
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby tundramagi » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:40 pm

Notice how Kendron kept saying that there will be NO release of code OR content back to the community.
None. This is almost the first thing he said. Not one shred.
Not even a texture pack or anything. Not a drop.

So he comes out immediatly disrespectful.

Then he talks about how he's not going to release ANY of his hard work of 2 months because he has bills to pay. (Not one drop)
But we have been doing EXACTLY THAT for way more than 2 months... kinda like four years atleast.

Then he talks about how he's going to add new things to the website, which we should be pumped and excited about. We had lots of things on the website, it was he and his crew that changed the website to a flash graphic. We should be exicted to regain what we allready had?

Then he talks about US being pumped about features they will add to Nexuiz (not gpl nexuiz, no, the REAL nexuiz, not OUR imposter gpl nexuiz). Features that we allready have in Prefix-Nexuiz. And this is supposed to smooth everything over, that they are adding features to Nexuiz (their game) (remember, gpl-nexuiz isn't _Nexuiz_ anymore)

Then when people still want something given back he has the thread locked and tells us basically (tells C.Brutilusss) "tough luck, you should love us anyway, ps we're making our own forums". Basically he wants us silent and gone, the Nexuiz community. With this reception ONE DAY into the "deal"... what's it going to be a year from now when they're releasing, we going to be sued to take down our forum, or any mention of GPL-Nexuiz? We going to be silenced and attempted to be destroyed?

He seems to be arrogant, elitist, and doesn't understand that he's dealing with people that do, with their own time, what he does. We make games. You make games. We add to this game and make it better.

It's funny, the whole "you're taking food from my mouth if I give back any scrap to your community" thing... when we've been giving away our work for YEARS, some of us have made a full time job of it. And he thinks his 12 hours a day for 2 months thing could hold ANY sway here? All of us who have even worked on a lowly map have worked longer hours than that... the the progammers like div0... absolutely immense amounts of time and effort put in that would tally into the tens of millions of dollars... an example: just this last month with div0's warpzones... that code is worth, in developer time, I think it was like a million or so, if you hired someone to do it (and most teams could NOT code what div0 has coded: they don't have the know-how or the knowledge). Then think of tzorks turrets and vehichles too. Morphed's models. The music and sounds... and this guy comes in and says he isn't releasing ANYTHING back because he has bills to pay and he's paying alot of money??? We've given away, figurativly, a fortune... and he can't even give just alittle of whatever he's making... when he's building it off of the work of those who coded and such for nexuiz. Doesn't make sence to me, doesnt' seem respectful, doesn't seem mutually benificial at all.
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby paperclips » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:46 pm

FruitieX wrote:
halogene wrote:How about we work on an "official" press release kind of text that we can put onto other forums? Something that would be also suitable for slashdot and other news sites? Obviously it can't be an official press release, since the owner of the Nexuiz name and the "leader" of this project won't probably agree with what is contained in such a statement. If people think this is a good idea I would volounteer to make a text proposal.
I agree.

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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby Lee_Stricklin » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:55 pm

halogene wrote:
halogene wrote:Strong words do not help here, they rather make it worse.

tZork wrote:Well this is one of those rare times where it actually could help.

In my opinion we should clearly state what has happened, how the community feels about it and how the community's efforts to find a compromise solution has been dealt with. In no event we should go shouting "CONSOLE NEXUIZ IS STOLEN IP!!!!111 DON'T BUY IT!!!111One!!!" In my opinion this just doesn't sound serious, no matter how well I can understand the urge to say something like that.


This sig was rushed, I put in the website URL on it hoping somebody will follow it and see what I am talking about. I'll probably start a thread strictly to add to what I said on it and put the link on it.
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby halogene » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:00 pm

Alright. I'll be offline for the next couple of hours, but I'll get into this in maybe three hours from now, or, if that fails, tomorrow during the day (CET).
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby halogene » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:05 pm

Lee_Stricklin wrote:This sig was rushed, I put in the website URL on it hoping somebody will follow it and see what I am talking about. I'll probably start a thread strictly to add to what I said on it and put the link on it.

Yeah sorry mate for the kind of obvious reference, I didn't mean to attack you but your sig just jumped into my eyes and I couldn't help the troll association. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you are one, but if I hadn't read a couple of posts of you before, I probably would have thought you were one. :o)
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:16 am

To Paperclips : I signed the petition link you posted . just reinforcing it with my sig here as well
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Re: Nexuiz.com makeover? Nexuiz going to consoles?

Postby Lamoot » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:21 am

A nice, concise summary of the happenings and a message from the current community is very needed. This is not only Nexuiz related, but has bigger implications. As far as I know it's the first of a kind in the open source gaming community and open source in general. I'm sure many would be interested to hear about what has happened here.

Is there a neutral place where Nexuiz fans can discuss and together write a sort of a press release? These forums don't seem to be in proper hands anymore, if threads get closed due to google search result ranking. C.Brutail and halogene, you two in particular show you can think soberly despite everything. Can we start PMing or emailing or simply finding a place where we can form the community press release? Naturally everything would be public, but we have to start getting organized. If yes, please email me nobelburek@gmail.com so we have contacts. First thing would be to find a proper place, where people could discuss the press release. Perhaps a google group or an IRC channel or a place where the press release proposal can be saved and publicly viewed until it's sent into the wild.

I know it might sound a bit too fast, but it's time things get rolling.
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