New Nexuiz: Continuing debate

[halogene]

I am looking forward to your review.

[Zico]

I am afraid it will be a german-only review. And we are not the biggest here (like IGN), but we grow. And for all non-german people speaking here, I think I will publish an english verison on my Blog.

[halogene]

Thanks a lot, I think publicity is very useful for marketing decisions. Maybe even for re-evaluating decisions that were made.

[paperclips]

Illfonic are so through when this hits slashdot. IF that is IF they do not change their how they have met the community. I really hope this happens so that both can benefit from this.
I have no doubt that they will do this.

But the sad thing is they seems to have no frackin idea exactly HOW BAD this looks. Especially with C.Brutail's good suggestion about illfonic meeting the community and the developers, these giants of men which their whole company and game rests upon their shoulders with some WELL EARNED RESPECT. Then the response they give back is:

"We are a company" (Translation STFU/GTFO, we payed for this, what did you do?) Thats so fussy wussy nice, thank you.
"Our team acts very independent, very creative and are a group of intelligent guys." (Translation: You people dont know what you are talking about.) ???
Nexuiz is all about competitive gaming and a nice open community which brings that fourth.. (No?) What the hell do you people expect happens when someone pulls the rug from out under the community!? There is no community, there is no Nexuiz.
I sincerely do not think that this is the case about your stated level of creativity (art department aye, might be) nor your intelligence (other than being codemonkeys perhaps), but being independent, with out a doubt, people who go their own way outside, around and walk by a whole community.

By all means, this shit might be legal, but is it done right?
The hell it is.

Had you people contacted ALL active contributers and included them in the talks where it mattered the NAME. Then all of this could have been avoided.
You do not do shit just because its legal. There are other factors to take into account. This is going to backfire on your company and endeavor if you don't turn the ship around.
Im sad to say that I recommended friends of mine to have a look out about your game. I explained and gave url to a few of them, most met this with disbelief and then with "im staying away from this shit".

Myself am mostly pissed about how you meet people I really have a lot of respect for with this uncivilized behavior. I thought this could actually be something good for the community, but the evidence, your behavior tells another story. Please start to behave AND do not lock threads NOR ignore your responsibility taking time respond to the communitys thoughts about this.
NOT locking therads an other means of censorship.
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

The question is whether or not illfonic see that their current relation is failing and that this have a very real chance to turn labor, investments into a sinking ship.
What should they do? Meet the contributers with some respect, let the community decide their name.

Otherwise its just like the gentlemen of titanic, getting their fine coats on and a good glass of sherry and sink like a stone.

I still truly believe that these games can coexist. Please do the right thing and start talking to people. There is no need for all this crap, when we should work together.

[jal]

I'm very glad to see Vermeulen, LordHavoc and Echon going with a comercial project. God Bless the good old quakesrc. ¡Best of luck, guys!

[lda17h]

Whoa! The colors!! My eyes, they hurt!! ;D

[paperclips]

Whoa! The colors!! My eyes, they hurt!! ;D

Yes, I see that you added a " ;D ". I do understand what you wrote and why. This post is not aimed at you, this is aimed at all who reads this. Yeah, colours happen when I get irritated and want to avoid the lobotomized "tl;dr" - crowd. I usually avoid these idiots, since I cant turn them around/aka "show them the light", but this is to important for living by statements like that, as this affects the very core of open source, namely the community and the communication within that. I just felt it was important to write this, so that other people see that "Oh he commented on that, ok so, moving on." I dont know if these people I address is a part of the "tl;dr" - crowd, especially when I look at disrespectful responses on a adequate beneficial solution to a problem for all involved.

IMHO, IF thats a big IF, illfonic wants the name that badly, without changing how they approach certain issues, by all means, have at it you fools.
But that comes with a high price, something you cant measure in money and that is goodwill.

The Nexuiz that was, the greater part of the community stands in a crossroad and have been for a long time, most did not know it, thats the worst part.
However this is just a small hurdle, in the heart of things we are still a great, open, creative and friendly community no matter what name we are being addressed before the '- community' - part.
I am not in any way, dismayed about this. We are a open source community, we embrace freedom, diversity, change and adapt. We still do what we do best, hangout, kick each other asses, have a few laughs.

[divVerent]

I'm very glad to see Vermeulen, LordHavoc and Echon going with a comercial project. God Bless the good old quakesrc. ¡Best of luck, guys!

jal: I really hope you haven't read the rest of this. NONE of the actual developers (apart from LordHavoc) have agreed to this deal, or even were informed about its details.

It IS good that a commercial product is being made of this. It is BAD that it is behind the backs of those who did the actual work.

[Lee_Stricklin]

I'm very glad to see Vermeulen, LordHavoc and Echon going with a comercial project. God Bless the good old quakesrc. ¡Best of luck, guys!

jal: I really hope you haven't read the rest of this. NONE of the actual developers (apart from LordHavoc) have agreed to this deal, or even were informed about its details.

It IS good that a commercial product is being made of this. It is BAD that it is behind the backs of those who did the actual work.

I plan to get a group of people together after the game's release to do a code comparison in court. I know you busted your ass to overhaul quite a few pieces of Dark Places and assuming that some of your code ended up in the commercial product, we have a clear as day GPL violation.

[Mirio]

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<LordHavoc> locked that topic at Kedhrin's request
<Samual> -.-
* Vermeulen kilépett (Ping timeout: 364 seconds)
<Samual> Seriously?
<LordHavoc> yes
<LordHavoc> he said it's the top result on google and looks like it will never end
<Samual> Meh I think i'm --- Meh.
<LordHavoc> he doesn't mind people making other topics for it, just that one is becoming too much of a headache for him
<Samual> Tell him to come to this channel, clearly you're talking to him from somewhere.
<tZork> so now he gets to moderate gpl nexuiz forrum?


DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TO REMOVE THIS!

Wait- what? I can't believe I am reading this. Now Kedhrin starts moderating this forum because of bad press to his commercial project, while there is actually a very sophisticated discussion going on, without flame wars and caps lockers?

Well , we can post our critique everywhere , like every site that has an article about it.. so ?

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/71 ... -this-year

Just a one miinute video from a bot match on a aweful map

lol?!
1. Not a good video
2. Not the best quality
3. Its 'PC Nexuiz' !? Does not match with the screens lol