extra map popularity

[being]

1. facing worlds nex (2923.3Ph for b1k, 2416.9Ph for final, a total of 5340.2Ph!)

On Herforst it is facing worlds all the time because with the grappling hook
the other maps end after 2 minutes in average. I always wondered why
people prefer Herforst over [RBI] (or any other CTF server without the
grappling hook and lots of maps in the cycle) but then again I guess,
it's group dynamics.

I wonder why no one has converted any of the Q1 Team Fortress maps
to Nexuiz. There were quite a few maps, most of them for lots
of players, as TF matches were usually played 10 vs 10.
Most of them had a 2-Forts style similar to facing worlds, so they might
be accepted in the Nexuiz community as well.

Can't nexuiz run quake1, 2 and 3 maps directly? And with the quake retexturing project (fully GPL) we have all the quake GFX basically for the levels that use them (could a PK3 be made of the Quake retexturing project and posted on the downloads page as a possible addition the nexuiz player might want to dl (also could a link be made to the attic and additional maps mirror)).

[divVerent]

It can run Q1 maps with small bugs (healthpacks being at odd places, not all Nexuiz weapons available) that can be fixed using .ent files - and it can run some (not all) Q3A maps (it depends on if DP's shader support suffices - for the Padman maps for example it does not suffice).

Of course, ignoring the legal issues...

[Shoe]

It can run Q1 maps with small bugs (healthpacks being at odd places, not all Nexuiz weapons available) that can be fixed using .ent files - and it can run some (not all) Q3A maps (it depends on if DP's shader support suffices - for the Padman maps for example it does not suffice).

Of course, ignoring the legal issues...

Romero released the Q1 sources under GPL just a few weeks ago, so y'know.
http://rome.ro/2006/10/quake-map-sources-released.html

[divVerent]

This doesn't make the TEXTURES free... and the retexturing project textures - are they really "independent" enough from the Q1 textures so that you can actually use them without a Quake license?

[Shoe]

I was under the impression that the Quake Retexturing Project was GPL. I can't seem to find the site to verify this, though.

Of course, we could always wait two or three years for Khedrin's Quake 10 Year project and use those resources, since he's GPLing them

[divVerent]

That the projects release the textures under the terms of the GPL does not mean they are legally created.

If you for example just scale up and filter an existing texture, it is certainly NOT free to use... and even if I take one as reference and make my own that looks similar but higher resolution, that can very well be a derived work.

[esteel]

I always wondered why people prefer Herforst over [RBI] (or any other CTF server without the grappling hook and lots of maps in the cycle) but then again I guess, it's group dynamics.

I wrote in some other thread:

I think one of the reasons why herforst is so popular is the (too large) number of players on the server. The more people there are the less each single player has to do and the less important is it how good a player is. Thats good for beginners but its bad for gameplay in general and i have not written my CTF guide because i like bad gameplay. I'd just wish i could help more except writing such a guide. Also imo the hook is popular for the same reason. It changes the maps and makes things more equal. If one can grapple around the map there is no need to be a good aimer or have teammates protecting you.
Sorry if this might sounds harsh to anyone but herforst is a bloody-beginners server and its popular for that very reason. Well maybe this does mean Nexuiz is too hard? Or do we need to instruct people better?

But actually you can only 'blame' the players for this not the server. People like it and this will not change just because i do not really like the resulting gameplay. It seems Herforst gives them what they want..

I wonder why no one has converted any of the Q1 Team Fortress maps to Nexuiz. There were quite a few maps, most of them for lots of players, as TF matches were usually played 10 vs 10. Most of them had a 2-Forts style similar to facing worlds, so they might be accepted in the Nexuiz community as well.

Basicly divVerent is right, Nexuiz can run the MAPS but the textures remain a (legal) problem. Strahlemann prepared a mappack of ~30 maps and it seems it could become part of Nexuiz. Only 2 or 3 of them are CTF maps however but those and the two remakes of greatwall will be a nice addition.

[old_codger]

Sorry if this might sounds harsh to anyone but herforst is a bloody-beginners server.

I've seen yourself and several others say this. Does herforst mean something in German?... or is it just by custom that beginners used it a first and it became associated with them?

[esteel]

Not that i knew about.. The only thing i found was this: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&near=he ... %20germany

Well yeah it was the or at least one of the first ctf servers and it was really fun when it begun. The gravitiy, the hook and facingworlds were kinda new and the maxplayers of 12 were much better then now if you were to ask me.
But as i said it seems other people like those new settings or else they would play on the other servers. Herforst would be not full all the time if people did not like it. I sometimes go onto the other servers and wait a few minutes for players to join when i'm not in the mood for bad fps, too many people and the resulting bad teamplay . And others join very fast then so people also enjoy other servers and settings. Its hard to tell if herforst is full because they are used to it.

Maybe someone can setup a page similar to this ( http://delight.vapor.com/maplist.php ) for herforst. Some short url that could be displayed in the sv_motd..

[old_codger]

On the general point of map popularity I think the ctf servers and maps are popular precisely because beginners, (or people who are clueless, like me), can play a part in a victory, however small. If they go to the dm, rune or other servers they end up getting wiped out pretty damned quick and it's not much fun.

I freely admit my aims not particularly good, my reactions are slow, (well, now, anyway ), and in a straight fight with the best players I don't stand much of a chance but in ctf I can go 'barrelling in' like a raving nutcase and possibly grab the flag. In other words I can contribute something. Even when I lose I can stil say, 'Well, it was my team-mates who let me down'. HEY! It works for me, OK?

I'm saying all this because I'm not sure the map popularity figures above are that accurate. I bet if you analysed the figures you'd find the herforst ctf server accounts for a large slice of the data. It probably also implies that the grappling hook is the most popular option and I doubt that's true.