Ladder penalty point discussion

[ai]

Alright, here's the deal. Right now the penalty point system is like that that if you have 4 PP's your out, gone, so dead and banned or something like that. And there is NO chance of trying to reduce the PP's so if you get one you'll get stuck with it FOREVER!
And I think I speak for many people when I say that we don't like that. There might be certain circumstances where we just cannot control it. Like not being available for certain reasons or whatever. And I just don't like it that you'll get punished for something that might not be your fault and would like to at least have the chance to make up for it. There should be some expiration or some other system where you can get rid of the PP's.
For instance, what if you're a good player and you're happy with your score and been playing for a long long time. And just 4 errors (and no chance of redeeming) is like stabbing that dedicated player in the back. And of course if it would be me I would NEVER re-enter the ladder cause of those stupid rules.

I even have been thinking of creating another ladder which actually gives PP's but they can be reduced.. like for instance after a certain amount of time (months). And I've seen that there was a poll in the 1on1 ladder about the PP's but it got locked right away with no chance of even discussing it. So that's why I reopen a new thread about the same thing. If you lock this one too then it's just stupid to be honest. (locking the first one was). Let people say what they think about this. Or at least explain why the PP's definitely won't ever dissapear? Too much work, not motivated or what?

Sorry if I sounded rude in this post but I am a little upset (and always been) about this matter, and never actually got a clear answer.

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I am also interested in an explanation.

[GreEn`mArine]

The amount of work is not huge to do that. Honestly I'd just have to extend the clean-up script that actually gives the automatic PPs for not reponding to challenges with a program code that checks how old the existing penalty points are and delete them. Would just be 1-2 hours of work, of course there's not too much motivation and little time , but if pressure is big enough I'll do it.

Up to now I wanted it to handle it the way that after 5 PPs people get out. Anyway, if PPs were about to expire, I will of course lower the amount of PPs which lead to a ban to 2 or 3, otherwise the PPs would effectively be ineffective as only people who want to have PPs on purpose would be banned.

The reason for PPs leading to a ban is primarily to get rid of "idlers", which means players or teams who just don't play anymore, and who ignore their match notification emails (on purpose, or not) of new challenges, as well as getting rid of geeks who got PPs in matches for other reasons (cheating, using old versions, rude behavior, etc.)

Anyway, as I think "5" PPs are very much, and the mentioned circumstances are not convincing to me, so my personal vote is to change nothing. If one's internet is broken one can be able to decline open challenges and set himself inactive from another PC, and for anything else there's the inactivity setting. I'll unlock the voting thread again and I ask the people to continue voting there, but to continue discussing here (although I guess that the poll will be the bottom line for me to code it or not).

[Urmel]

Maybe a stupid idea, but how about a possibility to get rid of PPs by passing a certain amount of ELOs? I'm thinking about maybe 20 to 50 ELO points for one Pen Point.

[GreEn`mArine]

I can just say that this would technically be doable but it smells like a sale of indulgences to me...

[Urmel]

Yeah. Maybe it's because I can't follow ai's point of view about the "certain circumstances where we just cannot control it". On one side it's possible to set yourself inactive for a very long time, and on the other side you've got two weeks time to respond to a challenge.

Sorry, it's not a matter of uncontrollable circumstances, it's just a matter of lacking discipline if you forget to login for more than 14 days. Even if you lose your inet connection at home, everybody has one or more friends where they can go online.

Are there any other uncontrollable circumstances that cause you pens?

So if you want to get rid of your pen points, just pay!

[ai]

Well I have lots of uncontrollable circumstances, many of them are computer related and lately even apartment related. Which is, sometimes my computer fers up and does exactly what it shouldn't at the absolute time where this should not even be possible to happen. My computer have crashed, restarted, blue screened, stopped working, shutting itself down and it fucking even have singed and danced mocking me. And I live alone with no friends in this city. Sometimes my ISP fers up too and just recently my entire apartment exploded. At least all the lamps, and yes, literally the lamps exploded. For no reason whatsoever. I just sat in front of the computer and booom! Everything went dark.

I now have a new computer but of course guess what.. even THIS one fers up... WTH!?!? Anyway, the other circumstances that came to my mind was other things like accidents, hospitalized, job related things etc.. be creative.

And finally, when these things happen to me, I'm sorry maybe it's just me but, I don't really think about or care about the Nexuiz ladder and worrying about my PP's when I even don't have a computer working which I use for school, work and other things than just playing Nexuiz (yes it's true). So forgive me if the Nexuiz ladder isn't the first thing that pop's up in my mind.

[GreEn`mArine]

If you have such problems I suggest you set yourself inactive for 2-3 weeks, since you couldn't play ladder matches anyway, since everything explodes every 2 minutes, right?

Your power supply is broken and will damage your computer, as well as your lights which exploded because of overvoltage. Think about it when ruining a new computer PSU with that.

[ai]

I didn't over voltage anything. I been having the same machines plugged in for months and then just one day it decided to to explode. Just out of the blue, totally unprovoked. And as far as the setting myself inactive would be good, just that I cannot control these things, they happen whenever they feel like. It can go weeks and months with nothing happening and then suddenly it goes all wrong. It's like it's having it's own life. An alien race have put a beacon on my for bad luck...

[morfar]

I feel you man. My apartment is getting a bit crazy also lately. My lamps exploded (no glass shattering though)... I need to buy 7-8 lamps :/

And I don't like that the PP is stuck for ever.