Bots - will they improve some day?
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by divVerent » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:52 am
No, bots do not have a damage boost. "Just" an accuracy boost...
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by tZork » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:19 am
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g_damage.qc : void Damage (...)
...
if (attacker.isbot)
damage = damage * bound(0.1, (skill + 5) * 0.1, 1);
Hmm ok it lowers teh damage for lower silled bots, but thats a bad idea too imo.
HOF:
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
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by divVerent » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:24 am
Oh the reduction for skill levels 0..4... what is bad about that?
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again
You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again
You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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by tZork » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:45 am
divVerent wrote:Oh the reduction for skill levels 0..4... what is bad about that?
It just seem wrong to silently change damage based on bot skill; id say it seems bad to change damage at all; if its to change there should be a control cvar imo.
HOF:
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
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by divVerent » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:54 am
actually skill IS that control cvar and affects many aspects of how bots play.
But at least it does not affect their walking speed, like in UT...
But at least it does not affect their walking speed, like in UT...
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
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4. Open the file in Notepad again
You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again
You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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by tZork » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:27 am
Guess my reasoning around this is that damage is one thing that a human player can never change, so altering it in the bots do seem the wrong way. (Acctualy speed would make more sense upp with higher skill to me, since more skilled players do tend to move faster then nubbies)
HOF:
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
<Diablo> the nex is a "game modification"
<Diablo> quake1 never had a weapon like that.
<Vordreller> there was no need for anything over 4GB untill Vista came along
<Samua>]Idea: Fix it?
<Samua>Lies, that only applies to other people.
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by old_codger » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:55 am
Surely, the point about bots is that they're most of use when human players aren't available or appear to be significantly more skilled, as is the case with zico.
IMO they only need to be improved up to a point because playing against someone else is always going to be more satisfying because of the interaction.
Some of the 'dumb' aspects could be improved upon though... that's true.
IMO they only need to be improved up to a point because playing against someone else is always going to be more satisfying because of the interaction.
Some of the 'dumb' aspects could be improved upon though... that's true.
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by Zico » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:10 pm
Thanks for this feedback.
I think it's sad, that the classic concept of "singleplayer" isn't that popular anymore. Mostly in shooters and especially in Deathmatch games.
For me it's just more fun sometimes... Not to get me wrong - I do soemtimes play onlein.... about 2% of the time I played Nexuiz so I was very impressed, it had already very good bots when I started to play (version 1.2 I guess). I still hope they will get better...
I think it's sad, that the classic concept of "singleplayer" isn't that popular anymore. Mostly in shooters and especially in Deathmatch games.
For me it's just more fun sometimes... Not to get me wrong - I do soemtimes play onlein.... about 2% of the time I played Nexuiz so I was very impressed, it had already very good bots when I started to play (version 1.2 I guess). I still hope they will get better...
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by Psychcf » Wed May 02, 2007 3:45 am
Zico wrote:I think it's sad, that the classic concept of "singleplayer" isn't that popular anymore. Mostly in shooters and especially in Deathmatch games.
I love single player games. In some cases I like it better then multiplayer. Like half life 2 and hl2ep1 were awesome. can't wait till ep2
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