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Postby k0jak » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:45 pm

that is seperating a standard game mode even more...simple solution is to create some decent playable maps.

dont get me wrong i like fun maps at times, but they seem to far out-weigh playability maps by a long stretch, why sadly (due to lack of time also of late) i don't play CTF much more.
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Postby torus » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:26 pm

I agree about necessity for some serious maps.
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Postby Urbanshenkie » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:11 am

nex is ok but in a pro hands hands it becomes a nighmare to a lot of players make it on a diminishing return so if you shoot 10 people with it in a row then the engine adds refire time to his nexgun. or lower his damage , refire time and damage on skilled base. , I dont like the idea to make the beam longer vissible or bigger like the svn atm

Diminishing return , you can keep nex as it is , only pro`s that kill a lot of people with it and dont take other weapons get sort of a penalty then. but penalty slowly gets away when you shoot with other weapons or die or miss with the nex.

cvar would be nice , i think it would be the perfect solution.
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Postby tZork » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:56 pm

Urbanshenkie wrote:nex is ok but in a pro hands hands it becomes a nighmare to a lot of players make it on a diminishing return so if you shoot 10 people with it in a row then the engine adds refire time to his nexgun. or lower his damage , refire time and damage on skilled base. , I dont like the idea to make the beam longer vissible or bigger like the svn atm

Diminishing return , you can keep nex as it is , only pro`s that kill a lot of people with it and dont take other weapons get sort of a penalty then. but penalty slowly gets away when you shoot with other weapons or die or miss with the nex.

cvar would be nice , i think it would be the perfect solution.


Bad idea imo. First of all you would be phunishing ppl for gettin better, not a nice tought imo. seondly it would proly just lead to ppl missing on purpose or cicrumventing it in some other way. imo the nex should draw more ammo for each shot, it would make it harder to use it constantly while sill keeping the guns power.
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Postby Urbanshenkie » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 pm

the ammo thing i nice thought but doesnt work , for example 2 people playing nex on a map a pro and a noob , so the noob has to find more ammo then the pro the noob will miss all the time so he needs 3 times double ammo then the pro. doesnt work With that your are punishing the noobs.



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its for big population servers with lot of peoples . and if you shoot so good with a nex then 0.1 refire incremental changes doesnt make you lesser pro only makes your bether and gives you oponent also a change to get bether. it can also be used on maps with a lot of nex guns so snipers against snipers get a hole diffenent game then

owning every single map doesnt make your bether so its not a punischment. its more like a compliment and you give other people also a change.

and it isnt a big nerf you can let the server count the time you carrying a nex and how many people you shot with it. it will only effect the nex lamers.

make it a bonus so people cant change the source code so it will anounhced to all people in scoreboard or somthing and bind some kind of sound on it like multikill sounds so it feels more like bonus instead of punishing
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Postby Urbanshenkie » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:01 pm

for the nex you can change refire time for rest of the weapons damge or somthing. even a server with noobs will give some challange then and some kind of a bonus

a cvar can decide how to use it like with all weapons or only nex or none

I already witnessed a vote kick because of that and lot of people leave the server when there is a guy dominating. Game is still growing not everyone has perfect framerates , ping etc on his pc. or is a pro in aiming , you also want to give them a shot so it will get more players

for the average or new players it gives them more funtime and for the pro`s its more challange
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Postby tZork » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:49 pm

I dont understand why ppl suddenly would need support wheel just cuz they are new. ppl has gone from noob to pro in nexuiz since it was released w/o to mutch problems. For somekinda beginners server skill leveliing weapons would be nice, and/or as a defualy off option for the curioseity server/s. And what to do for ppl who capture the flag often in ctf? lower just their speed? how abt succsessfull defenders? give them 50 max hp and only crylinks? common..
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Postby Urbanshenkie » Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:06 pm

I also mentioned people with lesser hardware. and servers that want to grow , or more people to play with. people dont want to have there server get empty in 1 map because mister aim is online. and dont see it so radical it doesnt effect anyone it only get bigger comunity and server grow , and not all servers have to use it !!!! make it vissible in the server list and let the server owner decide if he used it or not
in the serverlist a filter
low skilled cvar is always on
medium skilled cvar is voteble
high skilled cvar is off
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Postby Spaceman » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:15 pm

Change the Nex. Increase the diameter of the beam, the further it's away from the Nex. If the target is close then it does 99% damage, if the target is a great distance away then do little damage but instead push (similar to the laser) them back. Instead of a narrow focused deadly beam which passes through the enemy, it turns into a wide beam and only some of the energy hits the enemy.

Also blank the screen whilst the Nex reloads or change the zoom level to default. The default zoom level can easily be changed, so instead add a reloading animation which the Nex user has to watch.
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Postby Morphed » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:36 pm

i see nexgun as best long range weapon in game ....
and mid range and short range, good for defence, roaming and assault

my solution is to add recoil to nexgun when you move, and even more when you are in mid air, this will make sniping possible, but sniper will be defenceless if you are near him and they will not be able to snipe when bunny hopping to your base

i know it wont be good for deathmatch, but i care only for CTF, Onslaught, and Assault

offtopic: make life easy for newbies ? what do you want ? join new online game and be able to kill some1 from the begining ?
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