CTF

[Alien]

Yeah, somebody (looks above) finally admitted that sg is weak. And shotgun is totally useless for caping. You most often don't fight with flag but try to run away.

[[-z-]]

Yeah, somebody (looks above) finally admitted that sg is weak. And shotgun is totally useless for caping. You most often don't fight with flag but try to run away.

If by weak, you mean you don't try. You can kill someone in 3 shots on spawn with a shotgun.

It has the power, you just need to know how to use it.

[ai]

ai: try reading what I wrote.

Ok, I re-read, now it's your turn

If people already kamikaze themselves to get the flag, you won't lose anything with cap only system either more than those 5 points for flag return. But if you want a penalty for cap only system, isn't it possible to take away 0.25 points for flag return and once it has gained 1 point (i.e. flag returned 4 times) then that point would be reduced for the team that lost the flag. This value doesn't even have to show, it could just simply be a memory thing that the server keep track of, and once it has reached 1 point it would tell something like '-1 point for loosing the flag 4 times" or something.

I really don't care as long as a cap only system will be in place. Also calling this current mode for 'CTF' was a HUGE mistake, as now people believe this to be CTF which it ain't. I would request to at least rename the current mode to something else and bring in true CTF (with or without the penalty system above or some other).

Come on you other cap only fans, where are you? Don't let me fight this out all on my own. Where's my support? Damn you guys!

[morfar]

Why is option 2 leading? That makes no sense. Do people acctually KNOW what they are voting for?
And are you opening a new poll later with only the top3 or 4 options? I think the cap-only guys can be merged into 1 group really.

[alphagod]

Come on you other cap only fans, where are you? Don't let me fight this out all on my own. Where's my support? Damn you guys!

Sir, here sir! Reporting for duty! I really don't care about any penalty, I just want ctf no matter how bad, of course having the speed reduction would actually balance the game but some people just can't accept the fact that balance is good and through it they would improve their game and aim not just their speed skills.

there are not enough good servers now, and there would never be enough servers for 2 kinds of ctf. The best EU server (degreen) would run gayctf. And I will not calm down on this issue, because it is really big for me.

You are kidding me right? Just because degreen is the best EU server(i ping best at it ^_^) still means it is Esteel's choice at what and where he runs. We the CTF lovers have to play some TDMNWF where any guy with no aim or skill whatsoever can score. cap. fly all by himself, while we are the minority here(obviously) doesn't mean we can't have our CTF and you guys get your TDMNWF. The difference is not too great for you guys anyways, it's just that now you are forced to fight for the flag and die till you get used to the idea and get better.

Morfar: They probably do, something very very sad.

[Alien]

Where is the difference between caps-only system with penalty and points system?Caps-only system with penalty x 20 = points system. Caps-only system should be without any penalties, cause it is CAPS-ONLY.

[ai]

Where is the difference between caps-only system with penalty and points system?Caps-only system with penalty x 20 = points system. Caps-only system should be without any penalties, cause it is CAPS-ONLY.

Hey now, you don't even want caps only, so stay out of this

Anyway. I introduced the penalty system for 'caps' only mostly to satisfy div0. I don't really care if there is one or not, but the main point is that 1 cap results with 1 point. Now this penalty system I introduced isn't as severe as the whole frag/point system you other guys want. While this cap penalty system can still be devastating if you have careless runners. Cause if you have a good defense where cappers barely make it out of there it will be hard to earn that extra 1 point that you lost by losing the flag. But yet, you won't lose points as soon as you drop the flag like the other system.

[divVerent]

Sure you will, just "invisible points". No difference, really, to a system where you get 20 points for a cap, and 5 points for returning the flag - which is exactly what alpha proposed.

[ai]

The major difference is that this 1 point won't be taken away until 4 returns have been made. I.e. if a team loses the flag 3 times and leads with 1 point, they still are the leading team. Once the 4th time the flag is lost then the other team will gain 1 point (or the leading team will lose 1 point, don't care) and the score will be even.

This is at least better than no system. Give me a break here div0. It seems you're just against 'cap' only system totally, no matter what people are saying and trying to do.

Also, which post by Alpha, I don't take anything he says seriously as he just complains about everything and don't want to change anything. He is also too hotheaded right now.

EDIT: Besides, this way it's still not TDMNWF, as this 'mode' only can be won/lost circling around flags. No other stupid points like frags, deaths, etc. However, this was also just one quick proposal, not saying this is how it should be. The other 'cap' only people have to step in and say what they think.

[Alien]

I would agree with caps but not this hidden nonsense. Wtf with this hidden thing? You can never know whether you're leading by one point or just by one unsuccessful attack.