CTF

[ai]

CTF should be CTF, if you dumb down flag carriers you effectively kill CTF, and there would be no point playing this game any more, atleast for me.

Exactly your words. "CTF should be CTF". I couldn't agree more. However, the current game mode is NOT CTF. No matter how much you're trying to tell yourself or how much anybody else are trying to convince themselves. This current game mode we have is NOT CTF, it's Team Deathmatch with flags.

Denying that this isn't CTF is like denying you don't breath air.
And on another note Alpha, you are a good player. However, you have got to calm down. You seemed like a nice guy who could reason, but in your posts I see that I might have just been wrong.

There won't be need to be uncertain if two modes could exist. Just adding an extra tab in Nexuiz. Then there would be: DM, TDM, Keyhunt, CTF, Arena, CTFNWF (or whatever. This is the current "CTF") and etc. What's so wrong about that? I vote for that, who's with me?

[alpha]

CTF should be CTF, if you dumb down flag carriers you effectively kill CTF, and there would be no point playing this game any more, atleast for me.

Exactly your words. "CTF should be CTF". I couldn't agree more. However, the current game mode is NOT CTF. No matter how much you're trying to tell yourself or how much anybody else are trying to convince themselves. This current game mode we have is NOT CTF, it's Team Deathmatch with flags.

Denying that this isn't CTF is like denying you don't breath air.
And on another note Alpha, you are a good player. However, you have got to calm down. You seemed like a nice guy who could reason, but in your posts I see that I might have just been wrong.

There won't be need to be uncertain if two modes could exist. Just adding an extra tab in Nexuiz. Then there would be: DM, TDM, Keyhunt, CTF, Arena, CTFNWF (or whatever. This is the current "CTF") and etc. What's so wrong about that? I vote for that, who's with me?

there are not enough good servers now, and there would never be enough servers for 2 kinds of ctf. The best EU server (degreen) would run gayctf. And I will not calm down on this issue, because it is really big for me.

[RoKenn]

If speed gets reduced I quit nexuiz.

Please do reduce the speed.

[C.Brutail]

As always, I vote to let it be a cvar.
However, today I've played a little CTF on Green's server. What I've generally noticed is the almost absolute lack of teamplay. There were two other people in my team, who've used teamsay binds correctly. The other's were roaming around the map, trying to frag the other team. Result: we couldn't cap, or it was very hard.
That's no efficient. And I don't really think that adding more rules would encourage teamplay. In fact, it'd ruin the game more, because people will get confused, or won't even notice that they can't go faster. Lot of the players on public doesn't even bunny hop at all, how'd they notice that their movement speed is capped? Think about it, a newby who's just joined the game, _somehow_ manages to grab the flag, but instantly got's annihilated because he can't escape, and his team doesn't even try to defend him anyway.
Do you realy think that adding more rules would encourage THINKING?
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I don't even want you to answere this

[C.Brutail]

there are not enough good servers now, and there would never be enough servers for 2 kinds of ctf. The best EU server (degreen) would run gayctf. And I will not calm down on this issue, because it is really big for me.

Relax man, this is just a game! And btw, there were several changes in the history of Nexuiz, eg. the laser's push was much lower in 1.0. Doing these fance speed-booster moves was hard, and not a lot player could do it (right, esteel?).
I was very unhappy when it got changed.
Control your anger, you're with friends here.

[alpha]

Control your anger, you're with friends here.

right.

Please do reduce the speed. Smile

/me instantly reduces speed in nexuiz Twisted Evil

[[-z-]]

Control your anger, you're with friends here.

right.

Well that's down right disrespectful.

[nifrek]

To explain:
2. Frags do not count, everything else does
Flag carrier kill = +1
Flag Pickup = +1
Flag loss by suicide = -1
Flag return = +5
Flag capture = +20

I vote for this for public servers, or something close to this. I'm guessing it would require a lot of testing to find the right points balance.

For pickup/tourney/pro/official/whateveryouwannacallit matches, I'd vote for only caps count. OR something like 10 points per cap, 2 points per returns and nothing else just so that it's not just "attacking attacking attacking etc.". There's no need for a complicated system in serious matches, players should know what they have to do, they're playing to make their team win, individual score is not an issue. Showing frags and such on the scoreboard, even if they don't count, for statistic purposes it is enough.

As for FC slow down, I can't say I have a real opinion. For the most part, I think it could work because it makes it difficult to cap without help from teammates. On the other hand, for anyone having played 4v4 or 5v5 with good players, it is not necessary at all. Good players = good aim, they can nex your face even if you're very fast so you need help from teammates either way. In fact, it would make it nearly impossible to cap. So I guess, yes for public servers but not for real matches.

[Alien]

You definitely do not play gw or you wouldn't post this blasphemy. You can't kill defenders in gw because spawn points (most of them) are INSIDE the base. Killing them achieves absolutely nothing.

Sad to say is that I do play GW, and I time my attacks with my teammates without them knowing it, this way I do get to kill the defenders, get the flag and shoot at them on the way out while boosting. Blasphemy, hardly strategy however yes. Also to ensure my escape I don't go in at the speed of sound I take my time, taking their weapons with me, leaving them to defend their base with nothing but a shotgun. Worked before, works now.

You can't kill them all. Spawn points are inside the base. You kill one, he immediately respawns near you. Only several spawnpoints are outside. This is the main problem why gw is hard to attack map. Killing them all is possible when only there are several defenders. Just checked the map the sources. There are 4 inside and 2 outside. All 6 were inside with original Shoe's map before 2 were moved outside by C.Brutail.

[C.Brutail]

Control your anger, you're with friends here.

right.

Please do reduce the speed. Smile

/me instantly reduces speed in nexuiz Twisted Evil

Again, control your anger. I sence you lack some kind of sence of humour here.