CTF personal scoring parameters poll

[divVerent]

The server log still contains the nicknames, which can be argued to be personal data.

[Alien]

Nonsense, because XSAX can be me or YOU anytime he wishes. Or I can be him too

Even IP is not proof (dynamic ips, infected proxified pcs, public access terminals, ip spoofing)

[k0jak]

I really am not sure i understand this poll...i think i do for the most part though.

but for example a (flag kill) should take 7x more to = the same amount of points for a flag-capture is what i'd propose...

so 7x FC kills = 1 flag capture.

im not sure about the WITH flag return, i was thinking of just if you kill the FC since you might not always be the one to return it or be able to.

Just whilst im here id propose a system like this (for personal scores).

Flag capture = 21 points
Flag kill = 3 points
Flag return = 3 points
Frag = 1 point

or something very very similar, thats just the basic stuff i can think of..no idea if you are going to include assists...

[Alien]

Imagine you get 100 points for capture.The question is how many points you should give for return?

[k0jak]

Imagine you get 100 points for capture.The question is how many points you should give for return?

Ok I edited my post, i explain it there.

[TwEaK]

Wheres the option for none?

[divVerent]

There is no option NONE, as this is for personal scoring, NOT for team scores. Team scores being a capture counter is unharmed by this.

And intentionally this only covers the case when the capturer also returns. A second poll will decide how to distribute the points between capturer and returner.

[divVerent]

From this poll, we get:

g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base + g_ctf_flagscore_capture = 25,
g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base - g_ctf_flagpenalty_drop - g_ctf_flagpenalty_returned = -6,
g_ctf_flagscore_kill + g_ctf_flagscore_return = 8

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(%i26) solve([
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base + g_ctf_flagscore_capture = 25, # 25 points per cap, generally agreed upon
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base - g_ctf_flagpenalty_drop - g_ctf_flagpenalty_returned = -6, # fits the success ratio of "slightly more than 20%" from this poll
  g_ctf_flagscore_kill + g_ctf_flagscore_return = 8, # fits the defense points from this poll
  g_ctf_flagscore_kill = 3, # arbitrary by me
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_dropped = 1, # arbitrary by me
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base=0, # arbitrary by me
  g_ctf_flagpenalty_returned=0 # no return penalty (we'll do drop penalty instead)
]);
(%o26) [[
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_dropped = 1,
  g_ctf_flagscore_return = 5,
  g_ctf_flagscore_kill = 3,
  g_ctf_flagpenalty_returned = 0,
  g_ctf_flagpenalty_drop = 6,
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base = 0,
  g_ctf_flagscore_capture = 25
]]


This system gives 6 points drop penalty, and it can't really be avoided. However, removing 6 points at once is harsh. So let's make it 3 points when taking the flag ([-z-]'s deposit), 1 when dropping the flag, and 2 when it gets returned. Then retaking the flag after one died zeroes out the drop penalty, and you get another chance as if nothing happened.

Let's add [-z-]'s deposit...

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  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_dropped = 1,
  g_ctf_flagscore_return = 5,
  g_ctf_flagscore_kill = 3,
  g_ctf_flagpenalty_returned = 2,
  g_ctf_flagpenalty_drop = 1,
  g_ctf_flagscore_pickup_base = -3,
  g_ctf_flagscore_capture = 28


Now the number 28 looks a bit odd. It basically is 25 points, and undoing the 3 points deposit. We got our scoring system.

Of course, we can freely shift points between return and kill, but I'll start with these values, as I believe the returner does the more risky work (as he does have to enter enemy lines to retrieve the flag).

[[-z-]]

It looks good but I think the drop should be at least 2 points... again for pyschological reasons. 1 point just doesn't seem too bad from a personal standpoint. Teamwise, it hurts (with the kill + return) but I doubt many players will make that connection.

[divVerent]

Well, the loss of 2 for a return is a higher incentive to get the flag back (to avoid that loss). Alternatively, one could use 2 drop penalty, 1 return penalty, and 2 score for picking up again.

But the return is the time when the flag is actually lost and the round "decided", after all.