nerf nex

[divVerent]

Weapon stats of my server (CTF Over The Lazy Dog):

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  MinstaNex                       1.08160 |   .      .    +0.266 +0.533 +0.667 +0.579 +0.733 +0.482 +0.724 +1.000 +0.682 +0.905 +1.000   .   
  Nex                             0.88981 |   .      .    +0.253 +0.158 +0.355 +0.269 +0.268 +0.408 +0.516 +0.571 +0.536 +0.926 +0.969 +1.000
  Rocket Launcher                 0.61733 | -0.266 -0.253   .    -0.158 +0.204 +0.178 +0.299 +0.348 +0.443 +0.318 +0.472 +0.822 +0.914 +1.000
  Heavy Laser Assault Cannon      0.43536 | -0.533 -0.158 +0.158   .    +0.133 +0.205 +0.200 +0.333 +0.217 +0.436 +0.393 +0.895 +0.767  0.000
  Hagar                           0.36775 | -0.667 -0.355 -0.204 -0.133   .     0.000 +0.304 +0.246 +0.189 +0.235 +0.457 +0.750 +0.750 +1.000
  Uzi                             0.31994 | -0.579 -0.269 -0.178 -0.205  0.000   .    +0.013 +0.077 +0.263 +0.062 +0.363 +0.803 +0.890 +1.000
  Crylink                         0.25186 | -0.733 -0.268 -0.299 -0.200 -0.304 -0.013   .    +0.158 +0.467 +0.127 +0.291 +0.579 +0.959 +1.000
  Electro                         0.15134 | -0.482 -0.408 -0.348 -0.333 -0.246 -0.077 -0.158   .    +0.162 +0.206 +0.284 +0.636 +0.825 +1.000
  T.A.G. Seeker                  -0.02353 | -0.724 -0.516 -0.443 -0.217 -0.189 -0.263 -0.467 -0.162   .    -0.077 +0.141 +0.886 +0.867 +1.000
  Mortar                         -0.09930 | -1.000 -0.571 -0.318 -0.436 -0.235 -0.062 -0.127 -0.206 +0.077   .    +0.210 +0.474 +0.500 +1.000
  Shotgun                        -0.25759 | -0.682 -0.536 -0.472 -0.393 -0.457 -0.363 -0.291 -0.284 -0.141 -0.210   .    +0.373 +0.853 +0.800
  Laser                          -1.08583 | -0.905 -0.926 -0.822 -0.895 -0.750 -0.803 -0.579 -0.636 -0.886 -0.474 -0.373   .    +0.448   .   
  Grappling Hook                 -1.24874 | -1.000 -0.969 -0.914 -0.767 -0.750 -0.890 -0.959 -0.825 -0.867 -0.500 -0.853 -0.448   .    +1.000
  Port-O-Launch                  -1.40000 |   .    -1.000 -1.000  0.000 -1.000 -1.000 -1.000 -1.000 -1.000 -1.000 -0.800   .    -1.000   .   
  Relevance: 0


Notes:

• There have been no MinstaNex vs Nex encounters yet. That is because they can only happen on a single map at all: eggandbacon.
• Porto obviously isn't a weapon for killing, yet still hasn't been encountered against a MinstaNex. This also can happen on eggandbacon only.
• We need more games.
• TAG Seeker is listed way below its actual strength. It actually is equivalent to the Nex, except a bit weaker: it does similar amount of damage, but takes more (and different) ammo and it is harder to aim with it - and the missiles can be fended off. Yet still it's in the lower half. This is because it is OVERUSED. It is hard to hit with the tag, and it doesn't do more damage than the Nex. That means: whenever you used the TAG Seeker, you'd have done the same damage faster and easier with the Nex! Except you use the Seeker's secondary fire, of course.
• Nex now beats RL.
  This is odd, as the relative balance of the weapons has not even changed. Either this is a statistical glitch that will even out itself over time, or the average skill of using the Nex increased, while the average rocket skill stayed the same or declined.
  Because of this, I'd accept changing the Nex to 120 damage instead of the current 140. It won't change the "spirit" of the Nex, but it might fix its balance already.
• Crylink is NOT the single best weapon. Stop spreading that myth It's in the middle range of weapon balance now.
• HLAC might have to be weakened. It is quite new, yet people already can use it very well - so well that it's already in the top three "normal" weapons!

[Alien]

So how did i get minstanex while playing facing worlds ?
Because people took time to learn nex (or people are playing worlds more), you need to decrease damage? Why not refire rate too?
Problem with crylink is that it is a spam weapon not that it is too overpowered (it was, but you fixed it).

[divVerent]

MinstaNex is not on facing worlds, but on camping worlds - a version of facing worlds with the MinstaNex instead of the regular nex. As the name says, that map is for all the campers.

[Alien]

Wrote smth in the previous post (you're too fast for me).

[divVerent]

So how did i get minstanex while playing facing worlds ?
Because people took time to learn nex (or people are playing worlds more), you need to decrease damage? Why not refire rate too?

Increasing refire time beyond the current delay is pointless, as there are weapon combos.

[Alien]

Combos are used in close combat. There is no point in comboing from other part of the map.
And I clearly remember having both nex and mistanex at the same time (maybe this was just one day svn change, but this is how it was...)

[divVerent]

The thing about combos is that it does strengthen the Nex (although that doesn't show in my stats). You fire a Nex hit to do 140 damage, then finish off using the MG. A secondary MG shot does 30 damage... totalling to 170.

But I now see that reducing the Nex damage to 120 won't help. Therefore, I propose 115, as that's just not enough to finish off with a single MG shot.

[Alien]

Personally, I am against it cause I usually travel around the map with nex(when I get it)&laser only and leave other weapons for my team members but if vote goes for reducing nex without reducing its refire rate, i'll shut up - if people wants that, let be it.

[divVerent]

Well, I don't care THAT much, and the better solution would be placing less nexes... but well, we'll see.

Or: increasing the MG's spread.

[k0jak]

One of the biggest weapon problems is the RL and the consistency of the self-detonating rockets too much....

...i don't see the nex being too powerful, but if your going to reduce it you need to tinker with the other weapons also which is a lot more work.

I can't believe people have mentioned half of the weapons before the RL one, its too strong