Nexuiz Etiquette: Type fragging

[RoKenn]

That makes me wonder why the devs implemented the keyboard symbol in the first place then.

To, uhm, signify when someone is chatting or has the console down? So you can
that even though they're not moving, they're doing something?

That argumentation is like saying "I wonder why the scoreboard displays the pings... hmm... it MUST be so you cut slack to players with bad connections". Well, no, not necessarily.

The ping actually is used, for example to find a 1on1 server on which both players have a similar ping. Or to tell a noob that his ping is bad and he might want to find a server with lower ping for him.

So if someone tries to improve the game play by kicking a trouble maker that gives you the right to frag him while being busy?

How can you automatically assume that every time it's something SUPER IMPORTANT like "kicking a trouble maker"? Why not assume it's something that probably could have waited until the player died "naturally", before respawning?

Why not assume it's typing "LOL, I farted" for the 10th time?

I do not assume that it's always something important. Did you search for the word "noodle" in my article? Obviously not, do it now.

Seriously, what could one possible type that would deserve any protection? "DON'T SHOOT, IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING?" But there is no game mode where that would be needed. There is NEVER ever something to negotiate with your enemies, and teammates usually don't shoot each other anyway.

You forgot to read my list of examples. Should I post them again? ^^

It's hard for me to respect someone who has to frag typing people to increase his score.

What? You could say that when someone asks someone, then kills the dude replying.. but otherwise it's not like there's players hiding in the rafters to drop down for the kill as soon as someone starts to chat..

You realized that my last sentence was an ironic reply to the quote above, did you? Aw, no, you didn't.

Next time, please read and understand a post before you reply.

[RoKenn]

One could pull the console down and then go to the bathroom etc. (I used to do that) Which in this case didn't mean I typed or was active.

And? It's also good manners not to typefrag you while you are ... answering nature's call. With exceptions as usual of course (by accident, because you are standing in the middle of the battlefield, you have the flag...).

PS: Of course, it's also not good manners to go for a phone chat with your best friend, while you have the flag

[[-z-]]

How cares about typefrags anyway, it's rather stupid to care. It's a game, it's meant to kill people.

I think in general, type-fragging is disrespectful. Currently you can only make assumptions about what they are doing. However, if they pose no harm (they're out of the way or have their head in the corner), why kill them? Share the respect, the game is about fun. I don't believe calling something a game is a good reason to think manners don't exist. Don't forget you're playing with other humans.


On another note, this may bring about discussion on how to further improve the chat icon. For example changing the color of the key icon above the player's head based on:
a) the amount of time they've been typing
b) the length of what they are typing
c) # of times they've spoken per match

I'm not sure how possible this is but dynamically sizing chat bubbles and displaying the first few words above a players head is an interesting concept.

[ai]

I actually never considered or thought typefragging is disrespectful until I found Nexuiz, which was weird for me when people got mad about that, as it still were 'just a game'. One can pick up the weapons one have again, and the armor and go into position (from wherever the person was typing) again. And if it was an important position then don't type there in the first place.
Getting typefragged is your own fault, and ONLY your own fault, not the fraggers.

This is what I first thought and felt before I joined Nexuiz, and I still to really. But because I'm nice I'm willing to bend on my behavior. However, on rare occasions I get back to my old self, in intense battle and whatnot, then I just don't care what that typing person does.
I'm more likely to kill the better players then the newbies. I kinda wanna keep their experience as best as I can. I'm a newbie friendly guy. ^_^

[[-z-]]

Someone gave a perfect example above and as a server admin, I must agree. If I'm working to improve the server and someone type-frags me, I get very offended. It's not always as simple as "regaining your weapons" which can take a few minutes... and if I'm testing things it's very annoying and time consuming.

"It's a game" is a poor excuse, especially for an open-source game where community is the focal point.

[ai]

Well, a game is still a game, people (usually) play them to have fun and blow off some steam (unless you're a professional player who plays for money). If someone is testing stuff then going public you do take a chance of getting typefragged. Put up a special server and invite people to to test it out with you if your afraid of getting typefragged. A public server is for anyone joining and start killing people. One cannot join such a server and expect to be treated with utmost respect and carefulness just because you are 'testing' stuff.

However, typefrags doesn't necessarily mean that someone disrespects you, in fact, it's careless to even clump 'disrespect' with typefrag. I sometimes frag people that type, yet I don't disrespect them any less. Nor that typefrags would affect the community as a whole.
I'm actually offended when people do get offended by getting typefragged, as that is a risk everyone takes when joining a server.
It like you take a risk getting into an accident every time you climb into a car and start driving.
For me it is a game, and it will always be 'just a game', where I join and play just to have fun. 'Just a game' is not a poor excuse, saying 'it's just a game' doesn't signify that the community is bad or that you even imply that. Those words are only focusing on the game, the community has nothing to do with that.

Now, I'm not saying people should start killing people that type, I'm just saying getting typefragged is not a big deal, is not the end of the world, it happens and it's definitely not something that _anyone_ should take offense over, if they do, they take the game too seriously. (This is my opinion)

[[-z-]]

okay, I'll just take my servers offline instead of getting live feedback from users next time I want to make changes so I don't get typefragged.

[tZork]

I usually avoid shooting ppl typing, if i can. FC and enemies in my base excluded. If someone takes a shot at me while im typing alive, that's my problem. The only time i get a bit ticked is if i went obviously out of the way to type in a ctf game (i dont care in dm-like mode, those are frag oriented. i try not to tf myself, but that's just me). and someone walk up and shoots me.

of course the person shooting at a typer cant know if hes target is giving team orders, configuring the server or typing AHAHA GAY TEAM)))

Also, there's the flipside of this; when you avoid shooting a chatter and then he finish chatting (or cancels) and pumps your back full of led just as you pass. This bugs me more then getting typefraged tbh.

So my point of view: don't type while alive if this bugs you.

okay, I'll just take my servers offline instead of getting live feedback from users next time I want to make changes so I don't get typefragged.

So a getting fraged one or twice matters more then the configuring? Then maybe you should go spectator or rcon while doing that. Sorry i dont get it, i mean the main reason for a game server must be playing on it, no?

[halogene]

"It's a game" is a poor excuse

I use the "excuse" that way: it's a game, so why the heck should I mind if I am getting typefragged? But if other players mind, well, then why should I frag them while they are typing? Fragging somebody that types doesn't mean a thing to me, it is no fun at all and fun is what I play for.

Plus, not fragging typers usually is regarded as good sportsmanship - which, as I feel, greatly enhances the game atmosphere.

[flea]

I used to go past ppl who were typing, then they would finish typing and shoot me in the back. Now I just kill anyone who gets in my way.

Stopping to type, then resuming when the enemy has their back to you and fragging them is just so lame that it should be discouraged at every turn.

On my server, typefragging is expressly ENCOURAGED, because the ppl who complain about it complain about everything, and are sore losers anyway.

Here is the rule: If you are in the arena, you are fair game. I don't set forced respawn in CTF, so die already if you want to finish your in-game essay. Otherwise, turn the safety off and start shooting.

Flea.