Confessions of a typefragger

[AnArKiSt]

I think increasing the ammunition cost of firing for a bit after typing would provide some discouragement.

Or, stop the player from gaining points for a bit.

I don't think these ideas would be good for team matches though.

[Silica Gel: Do Not Eat]

what if type frags simply didn't count toward final score?

This could also be abused, players would "chat" right before death to prevent the opponent from scoring points.

[divVerent]

As we have discussed it quite much now:

- any protection for typers can be abused by invoking it right before getting killed
- any penalty after typing harms teamplay where messages may be used to help team mates
- typefragging is lame
- backstabbing after typing is doubly lame

IMHO this "backstabbing" after typing, as well as "suddenly" starting to chat when almost dead, should be treated as a bannable offense, while typefragging should be tolerated as long as there's backstabbers.

[ai]

Why is it that people even see typefragging as a bad thing? What do people expect when they play a game, not to be killed?
Come on people, sure the Nexuiz community is friendly but to associate the behavior of ALL players on the servers as 'Nexuiz community' is stupid. What happens on the servers is part of the game. Yes, people should still be nice and all but that one who thought that typefragging is "rude" should honestly be typefragged. It is a _game_.

Typefrags are ok. People who cannot handle being killed in a game shouldn't play the game.

[paperclips]

1. "Just because one typefrags doesn't mean he/she wants to win no matter what."
2. "Still, you guys haven't answered my question if this "problem" exists in other games."
3. "Just because one typefrags doesn't mean the community sucks."
4. "What do people expect when they play a game, not to be killed?"
5. "but to associate the behavior of ALL players on the servers as 'Nexuiz community' is stupid"
6. "but that one who thought that typefragging is "rude" should honestly be typefragged"
7. "It is a _game_."

1. Well its a game were winning is based on a score. You get higher score if you (type)frag. Hence taking an easy freebie score gives you an advantage. This should not be allowed to exist on public servers.

2. Dont know, dont really play other games.

3. Well if most players on a public popular server, behaves in certain ways, dont you think that new players will think "hm.. is this the feeling of nexuiz/is this how nice players are?" How many do you think tries to evaluate this opinion? Isn't culture/behaviour contagious within a community?

4. I expect to have good time and get help in an adequate way and not being interrupted/annoyed by "player damage sounds" while myself try to formulate a adequate question that enables me to have a more fun time with other players/someone that collects easy points on me while I try to figure something out.

5. "yes well thats sort of like your opinion man". Protip: People believe what they see, Ok hyper mega stupid example: people read the daily hate/aftonbladet/watch fox news/whatever news source. IF a person read just one news source what are that person going to believe? Are that person going to re-evaluate by collecting consuming several news sources? How many do?
Point is, people believe what they see/feel/taste/experience.
If a behaviour is common on a public server (even worse if its really popular and there are no good ping servers around besides that one ). Dont you think something like that could taint the nexuiz experience?

6. Your argument is invalid.

7. Indeed it is, scores are nothing, experiencing a good time _is_, where you and other people involved interact in such a way that both parties feel that your gaming skills is put to the test and a cat and mouse situation arises not just being a mouse or the other way around.

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In other words: I submit to you, good Sir, that typefrag'ing is a utterly foul thing to use for raising ones score, when there are in fact other scores to collect than these typefrag's some people enjoy collecting. By all means if the player does not know that its possible to speak when one is dead or the meaning of GTFO of the way, face to the far corner wall of the map THEN type/chat/speak your peace, please have at it and show him the way with thy laser. However thou shall not frag. R'amen.

BTW, I added typefrag information into frag messages... e.g. the normal frag message is ^4You fragged ^7<blah>, the typefragged one is ^1You typefragged ^7<blah>.... It also shows similar information for the person who was killed.

nicely done! OT: what is this IDLYSFIOOYO you speak of?

[Urmel]

So, just stop playing CTF and come back to DM... Or play Nexball.

YAY YAY PinkRobot you are so damn right and I'm completely at your side!

Hugs 'n kisses


Oh, and as long as they don't complain about me typing while being fragged by them, I can easily get along with typefraggers.

[ai]

1. Typefrags doesn't always mean one extra/free frag. It can simply mean that people do not trust them and that they wanna get rid of them as not to be backstabbed or risk jeopardizing their base security.

2. My point was that if typefrags are common in other games, why should Nexuiz be different? And don't just say it's because of the nice community.

3. I don't know what new players will think. Sure, I'm sure some will think the community is bad but others won't. I played CS in my younger days and the servers were filled with asshats, but many of the forum communities (and IRC) were very nice.

4. If one is that bothered with being fragged when typing, just ask the question(s) on IRC/Forums, no one will kill you there. It's common sense that if you join a game and start typing that you might get fragged. If you expect otherwise, that's being too naive.

5. My brain fried.

6. Just because you disagree doesn't make my point invalid.

7. A game can be played in many ways depending on the individual. One's views isn't the be-all end-all.

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The bottom line is that if you do join a game you risk being fragged, no matter what. Can't take it, don't play it.
It sound harsh I know, but that's the truth.
I'm not trying to encourage typefrags, I'm saying being upset about them is stupid. If someone can't handle that, honestly, they have issues.

[paperclips]

1. Well I guess you are right if someone makes the laser fire repeatedly straight down then starts typing and laser keeps firing then its not a extra frag lol.
In those situations when you suspect a asshat is biding his/hers time, you use your laser (dont kill/frag the typing player) when the person is not out of the way you just dont turn your ass that way, simple, there is no exception from that rule anyway. I only play DM so I dont know about that CTF you speak about, but I only experienced this sort of asshatry once and then I just chased that player until he left.

2. Dont care about other games, I for one would like to see less asshatry everywhere and even minimize the risks of asshats.

3. less asshats again.

4. I mean you do what you can by simple lower the risk of being a free frag/point/score by staying out of the way and telling others how to behave if they must type/chat/ask questions.
If someone typefrag you when you have taken these precautions then it is obvious that its about collecting a easy frag and IMHO should be banned for a period of time.
I expect people not to be asshats. If you are typing and not out of the way, dont listen to my advice GTFO the way well then say hai to mah laser and GL/HF with that, but I dont frag them, in other words dont get myself a easy point. Thats the whole point MOVE, NOT KILL.
If someone has a problem with that, well then its about someone enjoying a easy extra point.
Thats not how I roll.

7. yet again less asshats, more nice.
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Au contraire, you might not encourage typefrags but you most certainly at least enable them by being an experienced player and contributer of awesome material which add weight to your statements on a public forums by saying that "type frag'ing its OK". Please be a role model for new players.

[halogene]

The funny thing is I agree with both of you. In my opinion it is really stupid to care about being typefragged. I mean, it IS a game after all. Isn't it? Or is it? Or what?

But on the other hand it is a nice thing if people show you the respect that they don't typefrag you. Such respect shows off sportsmanship and greatly adds to the game atmosphere. Whenever I think of a good game I had I basically remember people being friendly and caring about sportsmanship. I never remember scores, though. And that's not because I can't memorize numbers. So I think the bottom line is for me

typefragging is lame
moaning about being typefragged is lame
backstabbing is doubly lame

Edit: I think I could add

Moaning about being backstabbed is also a bit lame. But not quite that much. Maybe 3/5 lame. Let's say it is 4/7 lame. Or 5/8.

[Sven]

maybe 5% mirrordamage and more ammo