Vista + Macbook pro. 1-2fps

[dcdanman]

Hey there, this is dan.
I've been trying to get the darkplaces running. Well, to be fair, I assumed it would just kind of work straight away. Well, it kind of does, but performance is TERRIBLE.. 1-2fps doing anything. Lord havoc pointed me in this direction, so I downloaded nexius.. Same problem. although maybe the framerate is 2-3fps.
I'm running windows vista, on a macbook pro. For those not familiar with the specs, thats:
C2D, 2.16ghz
2gb of ram (Ok, I upgraded that one)
ATI X1600, 128mb.

I was told that -notexturenonpoweroftwo should fix it, but it gives exactly the same performance.. I am running aero.
Any ideas what could be causing this?
Thanks,
dan.

EDIT: Aero is not the cause.

[esteel]

Vistas support for openGL (a way to do 3d stuff) is BAD BAD BAD!!! The last thing i read was that ATI still does not have good support for opengl on vista but maybe this has changed since then. try to install the latest drivers from ATIs homepage. Vista sucks for games..
Well nvidia drivers support opengl quite ok on vista by now but i guess thats not what you want to hear

[KadaverJack]

1-3fps sound like you don't have any hardware OpenGL acceleration on your system... Try installing the latest driver from ati.com (not the one included with windows), that might help, but i have no idea if OpenGL works at all with ati cards on vista and if it'll work on a macbook is another question...

Edit: oh, and disable aero. The driver might only support aero OR OpenGL and even if it does, the GPU would probably need to switch between D3D & OpenGL like crazy

[melk]

Did you install Vista through BootCamp, or directly onto the machine? Do you also have OSX installed?

Obviously if you are running Vista through virtualization (Parallels, for example) you will get terrible performance, because 3D support is not present (at this time anyway, they say they are working on it)

Tell us more about your setup...

[dcdanman]

Hah, I know it must be easy to assume people are idiots, but I'm using boot camp, of course, installed all the drivers that i had to install afterward too. Half-life 2 runs really well.
Although I probobaly should have given more space to vista, (Only set out 30gb), I do like OSX..

..
I just lost respect for AMD. Not that I had any for ATI and their outrageous linux support, but vista users are completely left out in the rain when it comes to new drivers for their mobility radeon series. What makes this even harder to beleive, is that its hardly an old line of graphics cards, they are the high end of mid-range, infact, I find it incredible they'd do such a thing.
I've been an nvidiot fan boy since day 1, today has only re-enforced my view.
Me <3 UDA ?
:/
Thanks,
dan.

EDIT: Oh yea, I tried disabling aero, no change.

[esteel]

Hah, I know it must be easy to assume people are idiots, but I'm using boot camp, of course, installed all the drivers that i had to install afterward too. Half-life 2 runs really well.

Well but HL2 does NOT use opengl but directx which ati drivers DO support for SURE. I'm just not sure about opengl.. but if you have installed the latest drivers it seems they do not support it.. at least not on the macbook..
Well ATI.. Look here and notice the topic name and that nice image..
http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=1690

[KadaverJack]

Hah, I know it must be easy to assume people are idiots, [..]

No one here assumed you are an idiot...

I just lost respect for AMD. Not that I had any for ATI and their outrageous linux support, but vista users are completely left out in the rain when it comes to new drivers for their mobility radeon series.

Afaik nvidia isn't any better in that regard...
http://www.omegadrivers.net/ <-- those drivers might work, they have added some chip ids for mobile gpus (at least they worked with a friend's nvidia gpu a while ago...)

[melk]

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound insulting. Doesn't hurt to check the basics first, right?

If Half-Life 2 runs fine, then something else is obviously the problem. I assume Nexuiz runs fine under OSX, so at least you have that as an option.

Unless there is some reason you really want to keep Vista, why not go back to XP?

[dcdanman]

Well, I know half-life 2 is a directx game, I was just saying that to kind of prove that I wasn't virtulizing Vista.
I'd go back to XP, but the last 2 times I tried it the sound driver was broken. Well, it wasn't reliable, and I use cubase regularly (Fancy recording program), so that wasn't an option.
As for the thread, yea, I don't know whats going on there, I can only assume that it works fine in XP or earlier, and he's using nexuiz in that (read previous point )

KadaverJack: Nvidia are the same? Well, I can say I've never had a laptop nvidia graphics card, but I thought that they used the same drivers, and hence were supported by nvidia? I've never had a problem with nvidia not supporting opengl, either, if thats what you are implying? And every time I go to linux, the nvidia drivers worked great (except in Fedora Core 3, that was a nightmare, and a long time ago.. Haha) Although I'm a fan boy, you can't sway my opinion I'll check that out. Thanks!

melk, don't worry, we all do, and I wasn't bothered by it

[KadaverJack]

KadaverJack: Nvidia are the same? Well, I can say I've never had a laptop nvidia graphics card, but I thought that they used the same drivers, and hence were supported by nvidia?

I never installed windows on my notebook, but at least on a friend's asus it was the same...
The joke is: the drivers are exactly the same (at least the nvidia ones), there are just some chip ids missing in an ini-file, that why the driver doesn't doesn't install.

I've never had a problem with nvidia not supporting opengl, either, if thats what you are implying?

Well, the drivers installed by windows updates don't support OpenGL, but the official driver should work, if it installs at all on a mobile gpu