IllFonic's Nexuiz

[cortez]

The texture pack may not be relevant as most textures that could be used for BSP are rather simple. Almost all of our textures are made for custom unwraps, some are tiling but I don't see how you could use them without a massive global revamp of all your assets (like what we're doing). The player models may be possible - keep in mind when we acted these animations out we kept in mind the armor on our character concepts. So they may not be too good. However, we do have a shit ton of extra mocap animations that do require animations. We can also potentially offer tutorials on how to use the new animation system (which allow for upper and lower body blends as well as other improvements). This is further down the road, however.

what i wanted to say is that some things are hardly need like new animations, if you provide the community you will regain some respect you lost with your actions in the past

[133794m3r]

wow, the BEST gpl fps i've ever played in my life. I told people about how great it was. Oh well, seems that alien trap's people are pulling an well, every big corporate deal that's ever been seen. First off, money does rule the world we all already know that. But selling content that's apparently not being based around the original game as this random guy who dealed with two people said, but keeping the name of the game seems pretty bad to me. Since they said it's only using the engine, why the hell would you still call it Nexuiz?

This type of behavior reminds me of the people over at planeshift. Their license is horrible and the company's not exactly nice but claims to be "open source", seems that Alien trap's heads are going to sell out the name of their game for cash. Oh well, i'll probably never be playing it again. Gotta love how it all works out. I wasn't a developer, but i can tell you this much. If my hard work was thrown away and i didn't get any say in it, i'd be furious and be seeing some people in court over this issue. Oh well though, as i said before seems that GPL Nexuiz is going to exist but Nexuiz as it was known is completely gone and we'll have all of those people who love Nexuiz coming to the PC version and going what the hell is this? This isn't Nexuiz this is a pile of shit, blah blah blah. As they all do since it's not exactly like how their console game was.

No one's above money at Alien Trap it seems... farewall wonderful community hope you can still have your game in the next few years. That is, unless it too gets completely sold off.

[SC0RP]

1. Everyone keeps directing hate towards IllFonic. Guys these people owe us nothing, they are making a business move and so far have gone about it in a perfectly legal manner and it seems that because they know where were coming from and they have experienced projects of this nature before, they are in-fact being more than open to talk to us and even hinting at helping our project(whether this will happen is anyone's guess, they are under no legal obligation to do so). The only people who owe us an explanation and who we should be directing questions to are Alientrap. These are the people we have been building this project for and its them that have given it away, obviously for money.

2.The name. This will NEVER be returned so everyone needs to get over it. This has been sold by Alientrap as well as the domain name. We will be lucky to even have a mention on the page. This also is only a question for Alientrap!!! If they have not put in any kind of clause in the contract to have GPL Nexuiz mentioned then it is now to IllFonics discretion whether it is mentioned. I doubt there are any kind of clauses which Alientrap have put in the contract to secure GPL Nexuiz. IMO Nexuiz has been completely sold out and there is nothing anyone can do. This is once again Alientrap's decision and once again this is where the question's should be headed! IllFonic have pulled a smart move with the name, Nexuiz is already a well know brand its had over 2million individual downloads from different hosts. Established brand "Tick".

3. We are now expandable but also we as a unit are quite powerful and strong, hence why we are in this thread being informed and being kept sweet so far! We are the Nexuiz community and we are the current gamers and there are many of us. Established brand has been ticked but we are the players and we are 2million strong. What im trying to say is we have already found Nexuiz and we are a massive amount of gamers(who obvioulsy enjoy this type of game, audience "tick")that this new Nexuiz will need to succeed(at least in the beginning). We would definitely give this game a massive boost to start. The question is after what's happened are you willing to move with the new Nexuiz? I believe we are great use to IllFonic right now but once/if the game takes off we just become regular players making money for the company with no reward but from playing and getting satisfaction from the game itself. IMO what we have and love about "our" Nexuiz has gone! The only way it can move on is to start another project. We have had no information or reassurance from Alientrap about what to do with GPL Nexuiz so as far as they are concerned the deal is done and whatever happens to "Our" Nexuiz does not matter in the slightest.

4. Did I mention Money??? Alientrap IMO owe the main developers who have put so much work into this project money. If they are going to be true to this project and they do actually have some decency the guys who have worked tirelessly on this project need to be rewarded. If they have sold out Nexuiz for money then they need to reward the guys who have actually made it what it is over the last few years. They owe this out of moral respect for the people who have made this game what it is and the riches they are seeking. If this does not happen this truly is just a selfish money making move, out of pure greed.

I do not blame IllFonic, in-fact I believe they have made one smart ass move to take this excellent game on. Its Alientrap who have sold out this community based free project. It was Alientrap's decision and their decision alone to sell Nexuiz!

We desperately need to hear from Alientrap about what "their" plans are to do with GPL Nexuiz. And an entire full/lengthy explanation about what has happened to the game we play and have built and made it what it is today!!! If this does not happen immediately there is no point in working on this GPL Nexuiz project at all and we should move on and start something else. Because Nexuiz has been sold out already and if there is no explanation from Alientrap then they seriously do not not give a shit at all. So why should we??? That's the truth!

[cortez]

4. Did I mention Money??? Alientrap IMO owe the main developers who have put so much work into this project money. If they are going to be true to this project and they do actually have some decency the guys who have worked tirelessly on this project need to be rewarded. If they have sold out Nexuiz for money then they need to reward the guys who have actually made it what it is over the last few years. They owe this out of moral respect for the people who have made this game what it is and the riches they are seeking. If this does not happen this truly is just a selfish money making move, out of pure greed.

The question is what is alientrap? The only thing, which is sure at the moment alientrap is not the developer of nexuiz

[lda17h]

1.2 IS TAKING OVER THE "NEXUIZ" NAME LEGAL?

Names/brands fall under trademark law, not copyright. To have the rights to a trademark, you have to register it, and you have to actively protect it, in order to be able to claim rights to it and not lose those rights by being idle about it.

AFAIK, Alien Trap owns a trademark for "Nexuiz". Presumably, they have transferred it to Illfonic (or otherwise permitted them to use it, possibly exclusively). That means that Illfonic has a legal right to the name "Nexuiz". You, the community, have none. You have a moral right, sure, but I'm afraid that doesn't count, legally.

Actually i am not all in all sure about this. We are in a real legal gray area here and there's potential for precedents. The nexuiz trademark was never registered, but it was established through its use (which at least in the US is also a way of aquiring a trademark).

The point being is that the trademark nexuiz was used for a very particular product which has not been created solely by "Alientrap" or Lee but rather it was used by a whole community of users and developers/contributors. Thus i believe it to be disputable to say that Lee had the sole rights to license away the trademark.. But before having talked to a trademark lawyer i think it's very difficult to give definite answers in this case.

Some of us pondered talking to the FSF about this, but i guess they would only be interested if there was a copyright violation involving GPL protected code.

[SC0RP]

The question is what is alientrap? The only thing, which is sure at the moment alientrap is not the developer of nexuiz

Exactly!!!

[C.Brutail]

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[cortez]

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why that?

[tChr]

I strongly suggest that everyopne reads Urcscumug's post over, as it is a _very_ good summary of the whole situation. The only thing I disagree with is that we need to immideatly prepare for a name change etc. as I'm currently willing to take at face value, especially from Forest that he intend to do what he can to keep the original project benefiting from this.

[Ilaith]

Alien Trap owns a trademark for "Nexuiz".

Not really. As already stated they've aquired partial right through use, this only applies to the US.

I've checked with both the United States Patent and Trademark Office and with The Trademarks and Designs Registration Office of the European Union. The name Nexuiz is not registered in any way. Meaning anyone can just go and take it.

There are some problems in the US law to prohibit this (although no matter what the law says, it's ALWAYS the side with the most money winning...) but this does not apply for the EU.