Requesting removal of weapon nr. 8 - Hagar

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Re: heh

Postby Chubby » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:04 pm

MirceaKitsune wrote:
<<DJ>> wrote:There are 2 weps which must go: Hagar and Crylink.


Why the Crylink? It has the prettiest weapon model from all the weapons in the game and it's pretty nice as a pistol plasma gun. I think it would be sad to see it go, though I do agree its firing types need to be totally changed and remade as they are pretty bad. It should do other things other then shoot instant plasma... it actually looks like the type of weapon to create dark energy fields or something of the sort.


Ok, the model is nice, but:

Many people can't handle with it and it's overpowered.
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Re: heh

Postby MirceaKitsune » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:25 pm

<<DJ>> wrote:Ok, the model is nice, but:

Many people can't handle with it and it's overpowered.


Yeah.. like I said its the firing types theirselves that need to be changed. Probably the plasma should spread wider for both alt fire and primary fire and maybe use less ammo too. Or whatever needs to be changed to make it work better.
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Re: heh

Postby Chubby » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:51 pm

MirceaKitsune wrote:
<<DJ>> wrote:Ok, the model is nice, but:

Many people can't handle with it and it's overpowered.


Yeah.. like I said its the firing types theirselves that need to be changed. Probably the plasma should spread wider for both alt fire and primary fire and maybe use less ammo too. Or whatever needs to be changed to make it work better.


Oh, forgot that.

About the hagar, when too much people use the hagar, you get damn lags. That's something what I dont liike about it.
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Re: heh

Postby MirceaKitsune » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:47 pm

<<DJ>> wrote:Oh, forgot that.

About the hagar, when too much people use the hagar, you get damn lags. That's something what I dont liike about it.


Sounds pretty logical, given the fact the server has to calculate so many rockets and their velocities at the same time. Didn't think about that, but yeah that's the 4th bad thing about it.
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Postby HarryButt » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:10 pm

MirceaKitsune wrote:That gas could lightly poison who's around but if shooting the primary fire (flames) over it before it fades away it would create a big flame / explosion. Of course not an insta-frag or anything, just another idea. This would also be another alt-fire -> primary-fire combo and a weapon to test some skills.
This would be another way to spam around as it already happens with the Electro :P I don't think, that Nexuiz needs another giga-splash-damage-weapon.
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Postby MirceaKitsune » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:54 pm

The electro makes nice combos I think... kind of what the shock rifle in UT does. I like its strategy really, but yeah on second thought we probably don't need another weapon to do the same thing.
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Postby zuriastrad » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:06 pm

i don't get why people suggest weapons need removing from the game. sure, a certain weapon might be more powerful than others, but if it's not included in a map then it's not a problem.

how about learning to use gtkradiant, editing the hagar out of the maps that you like to play and sharing your results on the forum?
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Postby KillaGrunt » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:55 am

I have to say, the hagar is pretty unique. If it had to go... Nexuiz woulden't be Nexuiz anymore. It's one of the many things that defines Nexuiz. :?
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Re: Requesting removal of weapon nr. 8 - Hagar

Postby TVR » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:39 am

MirceaKitsune wrote:All the weapons in the game have their own place and purpose and each does its own different thing. There is only one weapon that I didn't like from any points of view however, and believe it has to go: The Hagar (weapon nr. 8 ). It's that rocket launcher which shoots out rockets like a minigun and shoots bouncing rockets with the alt fire.


A personal preference...

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MirceaKitsune wrote:... The first one if that it's too similar to the Rocket Launcher (nr. 9 ) just that it shoots the rockets much faster, ...


Nexuiz's weapons stem from the weapons in Quake 3 Arena, the Hagar replaces the BFG/Plasma Gun, and is utilized as splash-from-proximity-impact weapon, whereas the Nexuiz Rocket Launcher is a proximity weapon, without the requisite of an impact surface to detonate.

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MirceaKitsune wrote:... and it's much more fun for all weapons to be as different as possible from one another. ...


For objective integrity, a personal preference should never be expressed in the form of a definite, generalized statement.

To dispel this archetype by example, 'Counter-Strike' offers multiple variations of 5 ballistic weapon sub-types, yet many who play, do so for that reason.

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MirceaKitsune wrote:... Second, it's firing type is very unrealistic. ... While bouncing rockets are totally unrealistic too... ...


TVR wrote:
Pre-2.4 Info Page wrote: The purpose of the game is to bring deathmatch back to the basics, with perfect weapon balancing and fast paced action, keeping itself away from the current trend of realistic shooters.

Nexuiz is intended to recreate Quake-like deathmatch, emphasizing playability.


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MirceaKitsune wrote:... The third reason is that the weapon model for that gun is the ugliest one from the arsenal. It looks like a very simple weapon similar to the models in Unreal classic ...


TVR wrote:
Pre-2.4 Info Page wrote: Nexuiz will not require a high end system. Video cards such as a Geforce2 will be able to run Nexuiz, while highend video cards will be able to take advantage of some features such as realtime lighting and bumpmapping.

Nexuiz is not intended to be an audiovisual marvel.


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MirceaKitsune wrote:... and it's ruining the entire view. ...


The CVar to disable HUD gun models: 'r_drawviewmodel'.

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MirceaKitsune wrote:... So overall I think that weapon really needs to go soon. ...


TVR wrote:
Pre-2.4 Info Page wrote: The game's content and source are GPL.

However, you are granted rights to freely modify the distribution.


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Postby Rad Ished » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:59 am

It has been noticed that Mr TVR does not suffer fools gladly.
You have been served, eaten three courses, paid bill, not have enough money, washing dishes, gameover, hot milk, cookies, good night, sleep. :shock:
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