We NEED more developers!

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That's an over-simplified pessimistic view on the situation. Sure there are plenty of people in here offering help just to say they offered but on the flip-side there are capable people lurking, trying to understand and learn more about what's involved before volunteering.

[divVerent]

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How well the signature fits to the text. But not really sure if we need annoying, flashy banners...

[Shoe]

So to recap this discussion:

Div: I'm the sole code dev, everyone else has left, I can't do this by myself, if more people don't dev I'll leave.

EveryoneElse: I would LIKE to dev, Some of us are even CAPABLE of deving... but nexuiz is not on any radars of importance and can go to hell and die. Oh and here's a list of DEMANDS for "the devs" (Div0) to implement! Thank's for the free beer!!!111

What will likely be next?
Maybe "I see that no one cares about nexuiz enough to take any time to help develope it, so I will not develop it further either, good by KIDDIES. Enjoy desecrating the corpse as you couldn't RESPECT the living."

Being a dick about things isn't going to help the situation any.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

So to recap this discussion:

Div: I'm the sole code dev, everyone else has left, I can't do this by myself, if more people don't dev I'll leave.

EveryoneElse: I would LIKE to dev, Some of us are even CAPABLE of deving... but nexuiz is not on any radars of importance and can go to hell and die. Oh and here's a list of DEMANDS for "the devs" (Div0) to implement! Thank's for the free beer!!!111

What will likely be next?
Maybe "I see that no one cares about nexuiz enough to take any time to help develope it, so I will not develop it further either, good by KIDDIES. Enjoy desecrating the corpse as you couldn't RESPECT the living."

Being a dick about things isn't going to help the situation any.

That's correct. Only the 'community' helping Div and friends out will help the situation. The 'community' has shown no _interest__ nor ability to help (including me). Those who can help have come onto this thread to inform eveyone of all the things that are more important to them in life then helping out nexuiz for some reason (if the answer is "yes I could help.... but nexuiz is not something I will __WastE__ time on"... well what was the point of even answering the request other than to discorage Div even more?.

Weather one lies, or one tells the truth in a recap of the discussion will not make the 'community' help the game it 'loves'. Nothing will. The community is not interested in assisting nexuiz or Div or anyone else. Once nexuiz is dead they will just move on to the next game.

It's sad. Other OSS vid games have helpful communities. Why can't nexuiz have such? Why do we just have players? We, the Nexuiz community only demand features, post idiotic "first to 1000th piss" threads on the general forum, and complain when a server isn't using hook... oh and make "concept art"...
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None of that helps nexuiz. We are leaches (I include myself, and almost every nexuiz player save a handful that have contributed).

[ai]

I don't know if you know it but real life IS more important than helping out a free game. You don't gain too much out of making stuff for free without getting paid back properly. If you can help out that's great. I'm trying to help out the best I can with models. This month have not been good to me in that regard as I had a LOT of work beside. However, next month I'll get more time.
But badmouthing the community for not helping out just because they have more important stuff to do is NOT the way to go about it.
This might come as a surprise to you but, most people like more to play a game than making a game. Cause even people who are totally uninterested in game creation still play games.

Please be nice and stop talking bad about the community and the players.

[Mute Print]

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Oh no div, my signature's text is satirical. My skills are in the area of graphic design and I am willing to contribute in that department. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about coding--nor does my current situation allow me the time to learn--to be useful as a developer.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

I don't know if you know it but real life IS more important than helping out a free game. You don't gain too much out of making stuff for free without getting paid back properly. If you can help out that's great. I'm trying to help out the best I can with models. This month have not been good to me in that regard as I had a LOT of work beside. However, next month I'll get more time.
But badmouthing the community for not helping out just because they have more important stuff to do is NOT the way to go about it.
This might come as a surprise to you but, most people like more to play a game than making a game. Cause even people who are totally uninterested in game creation still play games.

Please be nice and stop talking bad about the community and the players.

It does come as a suprise to me. I like making maps FAR more than playing any game. Same with coding in perl.

Not to say playing isn't fun when you have a group of people who communicate.
Best if you have phone chat with them.

I don't see why "real life" is so much more important. Building things have always been higher priority than whatever else is "real". Oh and as for wanting to get paied... you didn't have to pay to PLAY the game... so why complain when you don't PAYED when you contrib to the game. That's taking without giving (not including you and a few others)C, you do some things). It IS unfortunate that that is all the nexuiz community is capable of.

That's what I see from the outside looking in anyway.
Most people just can't find the time to "waste" on nexuiz...
so why should Div waste HIS time implementing what the players want when NO ONE even those capable will help code nexuiz? Why shouldn't Div go and do REAL LIFE(TM) like most of the rest here do?

Why should he wast his time on people who won't waste their time? Maybe he shouldn't...

[ai]

You know that people have different tastes and different opinions. Some people like to play games, other like to create them. That's the same thing with 'real life'. Some people just might not care about their 'real life' or value it as much as anything else. If people have a kid(s) and a wife, I bet most of them would like to spend time with them and not play games or do stuff for games all the time. So for them real life would be more important.
I don't really know what to say as it should be common sense that all people don't think and prioritize alike.
Div work with Nexuiz cause obviously he likes doing it, but not if everything falls on him though.

And about being payed. Some people are greedy and some people don't want to spend much time doing work for free. The whole world circles around money, so it's just obvious that people want that and need that to make a living. If you do stuff for free all the time you're soon out in the forest eating roots and berries.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

You know that people have different tastes and different opinions. Some people like to play games, other like to create them. That's the same thing with 'real life'. Some people just might not care about their 'real life' or value it as much as anything else. If people have a kid(s) and a wife, I bet most of them would like to spend time with them and not play games or do stuff for games all the time. So for them real life would be more important.
I don't really know what to say as it should be common sense that all people don't think and prioritize alike.
Div work with Nexuiz cause obviously he likes doing it, but not if everything falls on him though.

And about being payed. Some people are greedy and some people don't want to spend much time doing work for free. The whole world circles around money, so it's just obvious that people want that and need that to make a living. If you do stuff for free all the time you're soon out in the forest eating roots and berries.

I don't live in a forest eating berries. I also only use and contrib to OSS projects. The money saved is greater than the money "lost".

[ai]

I don't live in a forest eating berries.

That was a joke.

I also only use and contrib to OSS projects. The money saved is greater than the money "lost".

This is where greed and/or other factors come into play. Some people like to contribute, others don't (for various reasons).

EDIT: From the other thread:

When the community takes without giving this "fun" happens. Same with development of the game and engine. No one ever has "time". The original devs had "time"... why cant the peeps here have "time"?.

To be perfectly honest, it's not the community's responsibility to keep the project going. Just because I use Linux, Windows, various applications, play various games, doesn't mean I have the responsibility to keep it going and contribute with work.
Now I'm not saying the community SHOULDN'T help out. Everyone would love for people to help out, I'm just saying it's not their responsibility. So stop badmouthing the community. Your negativity doesn't help and in fact may work in the opposite way, pushing volunteers away as you blame them for the "possible doom of Nexuiz".
You should inspire people to help out, not trying to make them feel like they have to.