I made another song for Nexuiz (& a new one - 15/4)

[Alien]

It would be ok in most other cases, but not in this one. CC is incompatible with GPL. I can imagine that this license hell might bring you a headache.

[blkrbt]

It would be ok in most other cases, but not in this one. CC is incompatible with GPL. I can imagine that this license hell might bring you a headache.

You're using the wrong tense, headache's right now. So what is all the other music licensed under? And what's the source of that considered?

[Alien]

All music in SVN is ogg'ed. Most of the songs are by Gerd (elysis) Raudenbusch and one is by Braden "meoblast" Walters. All are considered as GPL.

[blkrbt]

How do they get away with no source?
Can I not just use their method?

[Alien]

That is what I would want too.

[ai]

Omg man, you're a god! Super song! (Stairs).
You have just made a new fan. I have to listen to all your songs you're willing to share ^_^ You have some mad talent there. I used to listen to the preview song for hours almost the entire day, now this is what I will be playing the next day after I get some sleep.

Seriously, super!

[Taiyo.uk]

edit: And another song I made for Nexuiz

YESYESYES! Some propah music for Nexuiz! Mid-air gibshots just became epic again!

[divVerent]

If it is NOT applicable to sound, this whole thing is moot, as it would be entirely impossible to use ANY sound in a game that's under the GPL.

What? Somehow Space Trader is using id Tech 3 (GPL'ed) with proprietary art and music. CC is incompatible with GPL and used in wsw.

Just because others do it it doesn't mean it's legal.

Distributing code and data as separate packages sure would circumvent that, though.

[divVerent]

All music in SVN is ogg'ed. Most of the songs are by Gerd (elysis) Raudenbusch and one is by Braden "meoblast" Walters. All are considered as GPL.

Actually, yes. elysis was asked whether the music may be distributed under GPL. However, if he no longer has his project files, we might have to remove the music from Nexuiz, as there'd be no source then.

We simply don't know until someone actually asks elysis for the source.

And this is why I insist that NEW media should have source, to prevent such problems.

[divVerent]

Same goes to image editing. One could argue that he is very talented pixel artist and created that and that using paint equivalent. What would be the proof that he didn't? His post at forum claiming he has a psd file. Nobody would take it serious at any case.

As pixel-editing is common in case of image editing, and flattening the "project file" is even often required by the editing software, this would be fine.

Anyway, I could find Stallman's post where he mentions that it's better to use CC instead of GPL because GPL was meant neither for music nor art.

This is the very problem.

GPL is not meant for music.

However, the game package (as a whole) is, legally, a derived work of the code (as well as of the music).

One work however can be licensed just as a whole. I can't paint a picture and say "you may hang the picture in your bedroom, but the license agreement of the red paint used to make the picture requires you to hang it in the kitchen, so you have to scrape the paint off if you want to do hang it in your bedroom".

This is really a big problem. GPL requires linked, that is, directly referenced content (like the music) to be GPL too, EVEN if the license is totally unsuitable for that content. So basically, the big question is, what does the GPL _do_ to media like music? Sure, it requires source, but what IS that source?

The only way out would be distributing Nexuiz as two separate downloads, the "GPL stuff" in one file, and the "CC stuff" in a separate pk3 file. Even distributing them inside a single zip and automatically "put together" may be a license violation, only making them separate downloads would not be one.

In case of music, just make a PDF of the musical score of your work - the one you wrote down before you started inputting it into the computer. That is THE commonly accepted form of "source code" of music for many centuries, and it isn't even very large.

Another way out: save your music as, for example, .xm file. That format contains all the notes, instruments, etc., and even is noticably smaller than the .wav, often even smaller than the .ogg. And DarkPlaces can directly read it.