I made another song for Nexuiz (& a new one - 15/4)

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Postby Alien » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:20 am

So it seems the solution is not to distribute nexuiz with darkplaces binary included. Something similar to cpma project: data in one place, engine in the other.
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Postby divVerent » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:30 am

Even then, Nexuiz would have to go out of all the Linux distributions, as they do not consider CC a free license for many reasons.

Also, it would make downloading and installing Nexuiz much harder.

Also, all the existing media is licensed under GPL only, and not all authors can still be reached, so unless every single file gets replaced, there'd be no chance to change the license of that stuff to CC.
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again

You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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Postby blkrbt » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:02 am

Can I get away with just distributing (and actually writing) the score then? I think that'll be the most logical method. XM file is absolutely out of the question.

Would a MIDI file be applicable (I can't actually read or write sheet music that well, so the score would have to be converted from MIDI anyway), which would contain all the composition data (the equivilant to what score would include) but none of the engineering or actual recorded data?

Also, how you say about flattening the layers into one big layer when image editing, in sound we have to do a similar process of mixing down to stereo wave file before mastering the track at the end, though, the project file is still kept.. sigh.
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Postby divVerent » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:16 am

MIDI file would be a good representation of the score, if it is slightly edited to contain the correct key and time signatures (bar length, etc.) and doesn't just contain the bare notes - and of course everything divided into tracks according to the instruments being used. Maybe you can export to that and do some tiny edits in a MIDI editor.

As for the big project file data: whether it is needed as "source" or not is unclear. In doubt, just keep the files, and do not delete them. Maybe burn to a DVD.

Because:

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years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is
allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
received the program in object code or executable form with such
an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)


So if the files are just too large for you - it'd be perfectly fine if you simply keep that DVD, and make a copy and send it to anyone via snail mail if someone asks. They'd pay the medium and the shipping. Most likely nobody will ask anyway, especially if they have that MIDI and given that the legal situation of whether you are required to give out that data is very unclear.

If the license of the sound samples you used does NOT allow this kind of redistribution, you probably can't use it to make GPLed tunes. Please carefully read the license agreements that apply and verify that you are even allowed to redistribute the resulting tune freely. Note that the GPL explicitly allows commercial redistribution, so if the license requires any use to be non-commercial, it can't be used either. Basically, if you can do CC-Attribution (without ShareAlike and without NonCommercial), this part should be fine.
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again

You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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Postby Taiyo.uk » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:52 am

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware wrote:Can I use the GPL for something other than software?

You can apply the GPL to any kind of work, as long as it is clear what constitutes the “source code” for the work. The GPL defines this as the preferred form of the work for making changes in it.


Sooo... I guess that if these songs are created using a tracker application of sorts then the native format for that application is the source.

...or am I missing the point?
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Postby divVerent » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:29 am

The problem with this interpretation is that the tracker app isn't the ONLY app involved, but that a mastering process was done afterwards.
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again

You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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Postby blkrbt » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:03 pm

divVerent wrote:So if the files are just too large for you - it'd be perfectly fine if you simply keep that DVD, and make a copy and send it to anyone via snail mail if someone asks. They'd pay the medium and the shipping.


Aces! I'll stick the multi-tracks of both songs (and all future songs) onto DVDs and will snail mail copies of them on request.

As for the samples used in the song (strings and drum hit samples), I'm pretty sure they're fine to be used in commercial music, due to the softwares I'm using being an industry standard and plenty of commercial music using the same librarys.

Assuming this is everything, I declare the two posted songs under the GPL, and the multitracks are availble on request.

Hope that's all fine.

Thanks.
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Postby Alien » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:15 pm

I doubt anyone ever needs them, I'll rather get loseless release. ;)
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Postby ai » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:34 pm

Btw blkrbt: Maybe we know your name? Just in case I use these in any project I might do, then it would be good to credit you. I always want to give credit wherever possible in anything I do.
Also, do you have a website or something with your work? Would love to check it out then. Possibly even buy any record you might have done -_^
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Postby blkrbt » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:41 pm

ai wrote:Btw blkrbt: Maybe we know your name? Just in case I use these in any project I might do, then it would be good to credit you. I always want to give credit wherever possible in anything I do.
Also, do you have a website or something with your work? Would love to check it out then. Possibly even buy any record you might have done -_^


I've never really released music before, although I've been producing it for 5years, but the (very) positive feedback I've gotten from these songs has inspired me to start up a website to show case my works (so thanks for the encouragement everyone). I'll PM you a link when I get it going.
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