I made another song for Nexuiz (& a new one - 15/4)

[blkrbt]

I only accepted brokenlight because you promised to provide that file, so please do so soon (in about two weeks). It does not have to perfectly match the brokenlight track, if you checked out my zip file with the med and the ogg file, you see that it's sure a close enough match already.

It's the fact that the note data doesn't exist, only the audio renditions of the strings, now. I shall rework-them out and make a MIDI file at some point, though.

Also! I worked on a new song, It's different to the other two I submitted (I don't want to keep submitting the same genre)-- anyway, here it is, I made this one knowing that the source would have to be provided in mind, but it was made in LMMS, anyway, so I could just provide the project file if it's used. Tell me what you think, and feel free to make suggestions if anyone thinks it needs alterations.

[divVerent]

Actually, this one is quite good, just... the orchestra hit sample isn't really good

As you used LMMS - where are the strings etc. from? They sound really good actually.

As for brokenlight... well in that case, it might still be okay, I won't remove it until there is legal evidence (a court ruling) that the score MUST be provided. However, in the future this exception shouldn't be made any more, as it can lead to us having to suddenly remove almost all music at once.

Is this for the desertfactory map, maybe? Fits industrial style maps well, I think.

[blkrbt]

Actually, this one is quite good, just... the orchestra hit sample isn't really good

I'm really glad that got noticed. I didn't want to mention it, as not to put it into everyone's head. I thought the sample was quite nice itself, the problem being that it seems to start a bit late (the soundfont itself, so it sounds a bit out of time) the sample itself reminded me of that song off fifth element, which starts off with the opera singer and goes into crazy-futuristic-electro.

The strings are soundfonts from Hammersound (as is the hit), and I was using LMMS0.4.

I did look for some nicer orchestral hit soundfonts, but I can't seem to find any! The one I'm using is called "chinahit". Does anyone have any orchestral hit samples by any chance? or can point me to a better one ?

edit: apparently when I decide to spell things right I find them more easily . Will rework it with a better hit sample

[divVerent]

Also, please check if the samples you are using forbid commercial use. The ones by Hammer himself do not, as he says on his website. In case some sample does not allow commercial use, please ask the author of the sample for permission to use it in a song released with a license that does allow some limited commercial use, i.e. the GPL (which you can count on him giving it to you, given that the GPL only works for some limited kind of commercial use, e.g. packaging Nexuiz as part of a Linux distribution that's being sold).

[MirceaKitsune]

Well, as for the MIDI file - the thing is simply, the current interpretation of the GPL is left open to what courts decide in these cases.

In case there is ever a ruling that for music, source is required, we'd have to delete all music tracks of Nexuiz except Stairs.

And in your own interest, it would be great to have some safety in that regard for your other tracks

Also, we don't want such a ruling to be devastating for Nexuiz and to require us to basically delete half the game and start almost from scratch to get the missing parts. That is why all new content should have some sort of source, unless it's unlikely that a court would ever say it needs it (like, in the case of textures and sound effects, because of the way they are made is lossy and generates no "project files").

I only accepted brokenlight because you promised to provide that file, so please do so soon (in about two weeks). It does not have to perfectly match the brokenlight track, if you checked out my zip file with the med and the ogg file, you see that it's sure a close enough match already.

Can you perhaps export brokenlight to another format that retains the notes and their durations, and the tracks they were assigned to? It doesn't HAVE to be MIDI.

My urge to ask is too high: There is actually a risk of having the law and government crack down on Nexuiz just because we don't provide the sources for some songs or content? What country does such a thing happen in... the US? I can't believe how out of control the law has gotten recently Hope Nexuiz is safe from these people.

And I hope having to remove brokenlight or stairs will never happen, cuz I think they're currently some of very the best songs in the game and that would be just sad.

[divVerent]

Well, stairs is now for sure safe.

And no, the government would NOT crack down on Nexuiz - a copyright holder on other GPL licensed parts of Nexuiz, e.g. id Software, could. Which is unlikely to happen as long as neither Microsoft nor Valve buy them.

However, just because nobody is there who'd sue you doesn't mean you're not doing anything illegal.

[MirceaKitsune]

Hmm... wasn't the Quake 1 engine released as "use however you want" years ago? Anyway I hope that will never happen, and that we can be ready for any situation (like having to buy some parts from ID software in an extreme case, or replacing parts of the game still belonging to them with parts made by us). I couldn't even imagine seeing this game go because of legal junk, so I hope there's nothing wrong with it legally or anything.

[blkrbt]

Also, please check if the samples you are using forbid commercial use...

I changed the hit sample in the song to a different one (this one sounds less delayed) and reuploaded. I've also emailed the author of the ensemble soundfont I used for the strings, asking if the use of it in this context is alright, though since it is on Hammer's site, and was submitted by Hammer (though not created by Hammer) for the time being I think it's safe to assume it's safe; I imagine the soundfont is quite old, and I'm not even sure if the author's email address is still in use by the author.

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Well, the email address isn't even active anymore, so I think the best bet is to assume that the soundfont is alright to be used for this kind of purpose, I feel that is a safe and probable assumption to make.

[divVerent]

Hmm... wasn't the Quake 1 engine released as "use however you want" years ago? Anyway I hope that will never happen, and that we can be ready for any situation (like having to buy some parts from ID software in an extreme case, or replacing parts of the game still belonging to them with parts made by us). I couldn't even imagine seeing this game go because of legal junk, so I hope there's nothing wrong with it legally or anything.

Quake was NOT released in such a way, but this does not matter.

Yet another constellation would be: Nexuiz released with songs that are only allowed to be distributed noncommercially.

Some commercial vendor takes the song, and uses it in GPL compatible manner (e.g. on a Debian conference, or as part of an advertisement spot (as long as that spot is released to the general public in editable form, that's okay)).

Now the original author of the sample sues Debian, as he gave them no permission to use the song in that way.

Debian would in turn sue us for the amount of damages the original author sued off Debian, as we caused the damage, by falsely labelling it as GPL.

[liolak]

thats some seriously epic music blkrbt. keep up the good work my friend