Patch: password protected servers

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OMG A BLUE CAR

[Alien]

It works like an irc key, where anyone who becomes trusted can enter. It simply helps to filter out spammers and team killers (one totally open server for all) and password
protected server for those, who prefer playing over annoying others. Still personal authentication system is way better without limiting access to anyone.

[divVerent]

It works like an irc key, where anyone who becomes trusted can enter. It simply helps to filter out spammers and team killers (one totally open server for all) and password

You don't get it. You don't just filter out spammers and team killers. You filter out anyone you don't know.

Basically, you treat people as spammers and team killers just because you don't know them.

In UT, it often was impossible to join servers because of password protection. And the last thing I want to do when playing a game is noticing "darn, can't join any server", CLOSE THE GAME(!) and then hunt down IRC channels of clans one by one until someone finally grants me access. Which they won't, because they don't know me.

[Alien]

We've discussed this at least 3 times before and I don't want to bring back old arguments.

Free open (absolutely) server for everyone
Worthy ones are given passwords to password protected server

In that case, even if admin would be absent in the open server for some time, people still would be able to play in password protected one.

I notice lots of teamkillers, spammers and verbal abusers even in servers with good admins such as esteel. He can't be online every moment and respond to random person deciding
to kill respawning players (e.g. fw wall). Ffs, I even got kicked in one minstagib ctf server (was my first try of minsta ctf) because I laserjumped. (probabky for cheating)

[divVerent]

Then you actually need more admins.

[tundramagi]

We've discussed this at least 3 times before and I don't want to bring back old arguments.

Free open (absolutely) server for everyone
Worthy ones are given passwords to password protected server

In that case, even if admin would be absent in the open server for some time, people still would be able to play in password protected one.

I notice lots of teamkillers, spammers and verbal abusers even in servers with good admins such as esteel. He can't be online every moment and respond to random person deciding
to kill respawning players (e.g. fw wall). Ffs, I even got kicked in one minstagib ctf server (was my first try of minsta ctf) because I laserjumped. (probabky for cheating)

Blocking tons of people with a password will just make your server more hated and more of a target. I allready described one simple way of defeating the plain-text "security" scheme (though some think I'm BSing... even though in the past I've used the nice program and such for just those reasons... and you can go dl it at ettercap.sf.net and try it on your local network if you don't believe in it's capabilites (it is opensource btw)). It seems that you're begging for ire and hate to be rained down upon your server (I mean you neeeeeeed a worthless plaintext password and you neeeeeeed the asshole-exclusive server to be listed on the server list).

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No one thinks you're BSing... you just don't seem to acknowledge that you're in a small percentage of people that would go through the trouble.

Having the option to password a server is like the option of wearing a seatbelt... yes, people still die while wearing them but overall they decrease the number of fatalities.


Yes, it's another level of exclusivity and yes, if someone wants to try hard enough, they can break into the server... but OVERALL, it decreases the number of unwanted players joining.

With that said, I don't think it would be a bad idea to encrypt it and from what I can tell it wouldn't be too hard by encrypting client-side before it's sent over the network and matching to a hash server-side. (cue divVerent bitching at me here). Though, once we agree on encrypting, you'll probably go on some rant about rainbow tables next.

[tundramagi]

No one thinks you're BSing... you just don't seem to acknowledge that you're in a small percentage of people that would go through the trouble.

Having the option to password a server is like the option of wearing a seatbelt... yes, people still die while wearing them but overall they decrease the number of fatalities.


Yes, it's another level of exclusivity and yes, if someone wants to try hard enough, they can break into the server... but OVERALL, it decreases the number of unwanted players joining.

Most of the unwanted players know about the various tools they need. It's the desirable players that don't know about such things. The unwanted players will revel in the increased anger levels of the douch-server-admin as they (who know nothing of security: thus this idea for a plaintext passworded server) continually fail to keep the hordes out.

Also this is like wearing a seatbelt behind your back: it's mechanically working as it should... but it's not going to help you.

"I have my seatbelt enabled!"
"But I sit infront of it!"

I'm sure someone someone someone will create a school of the americas for learning about circumventing worthless-plaintext-password to assist the few unwanted players that are not fully aware of the capabilites of this space station.

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Most of the unwanted players know about the various tools they need.

Going to have to disagree here.

[tundramagi]

Most of the unwanted players know about the various tools they need.

Going to have to disagree here.

Then they'll have to be taught.