rag doll physics

[Mizu Kitsune]

currently nexuiz is ragdoll-less. i've been working on a ragdoll for dp with little luck. i'll post my code and a screen shot later. until then anyone have any ideas?

[mand1nga]

Maybe you can use Twig as a starting point

[MirceaKitsune]

I've been wondering about this too, would be a great feature to have. Made this topic about it some time ago. At the current point I think DP misses two basic things. First is a real physics engine (Twig does seem to work very nicely) and second is Darkplaces not knowing to animate models dynamically which is most essential. Not familiar with the engine here but I'd love to see what you did there

[Morphed]

you cant use twig for ragdolls, dont even research that area
best would be to add some free physics engine to dp, as addon (idk, maybe dll/so ), as you know darplaces is under gpl license, and most free physics engines are not compatible (only ode/bullet), but making physics addon that is not needed to run engine would not break gpl terms afaik ianal

[Flying Steel]

you cant use twig for ragdolls, dont even research that area
best would be to add some free physics engine to dp, as addon (idk, maybe dll/so ), as you know darplaces is under gpl license, and most free physics engines are not compatible (only ode/bullet), but making physics addon that is not needed to run engine would not break gpl terms afaik ianal

Definitely go with Bullet, you basically hear only good things about it, and most open source games that aren't using their own in-house physics engine (like Nexuiz currently is) seem to go with it.

[Mizu Kitsune]

actually i'm doing it in QC. but very buggy, i.e. player models bounce/move stuck in the position they died in, etc.

[avirox]

The best you can really hope for is rigid-body physics at death (the new Sven Coop incorporates this rather well). Ragdoll would be impossible without individual control of limbs, which the current Nexuiz model format does not support.

[[-z-]]

Impossible isn't the right word because we've already seen it done in Darkplaces... it was just far from an optimal solution.

[Morphed]

The best you can really hope for is rigid-body physics at death (the new Sven Coop incorporates this rather well). Ragdoll would be impossible without individual control of limbs, which the current Nexuiz model format does not support.

im not sure if its models fault, its skeletal model format, so maybe only engine doesn't support it

that reminds me that we don't have control over individual limbs . Mizu Kitsune if you could add option to rotate bone and don't break animation from quakec, it would be much more cool than ragdolls, we could have up/down aim animation , and procedural shot/pain animations (no more sliding when shoting mg)

[avirox]

Impossible isn't the right word because we've already seen it done in Darkplaces... it was just far from an optimal solution.

I said impossible without individual control of limbs, which is what mods like SagDoll use. If we had control over individual bone movements in DP+QC it may have a chance, but as others have stated - the best option is realyl engine-side physics support..