2.5.3 and defer

[Alien]

In other words: AIMBOT FOR EVERYONE

is what you are saying?

You can always find most radical points in my posts. Yes, aimbot for everyone would of course accomplish equality between people principle. If you think, that this is the only one possible solution, that's ok with me.

But I would rather suggest creating cheatproof Nexuiz version (you can call it "dumbed down" for retards) with things I mentioned above (I've edited my previous than previous post if you haven't noticed). This version could be used at ladders and normal version could be used for traditional fun gameplay or tourneys with people WHO YOU CAN TRUST (theoretically, practically it's impossible).

[tundramagi]

Do you have ANY proof that I've ever cheated: modded effectinfo or csprogs?

Actually, there is no need to ban me from anywhere, I can't find a way to get stable 30 fps, so my playing currently only consists of testing changes.


Maybe instead of making anti-cheat tools, one could remove/add things (which are bypassed/added by cheaters) for all players and can't be stopped otherwise? That is removing blinding from hagar and crylink, making camping rifle traceable, setting fbskins as default, removing autoscan weapons all together, etc... This way we could have cheatproof version of Nexuiz and one couldn't accuse other person that he is cheating.

No. The whole point of the camping rifle is to be untracable. Its there to bring the enjoyment of say, the unreal or unreal tournament rifle to nexuiz if you wish to swap it in vs nex (or use it in your maps). No. No. No.

[tundramagi]

Because those who know how to cheat (e.g. alpha) will be better (or claim being better, others are noobs, yeah?) than those who don't or don't do that. I'm all the way for equality between people.

Since when is equality good? I've never seen anything good come from equality for everyone. It sounds nice (because we are taught it sounds nice), but it's no fun when put into practice.

[Alien]

Because those who know how to cheat (e.g. alpha) will be better (or claim being better, others are noobs, yeah?) than those who don't or don't do that. I'm all the way for equality between people.

Since when is equality good? I've never seen anything good come from equality for everyone. It sounds nice (because we are taught it sounds nice), but it's no fun when put into practice.

Your theories are not appreciated here and I would request mods to remove them if you are going to run the thread again. You theories ruin the definition of contest, where each participant has equal rights to prove he is best. And not unlike in real life, where one is made to obey, we can impose fair rules here at least.

[divVerent]

Removing hitscan stuff would be a really bad move given that we'd lose most of our players for that.

The other things simply are against what makes Nexuiz Nexuiz. Sure we can make the game black-white-red, black for bg, white for players, red for shots...

[tundramagi]

Your theories are not appreciated here and I would request mods to remove them if you are going to run the thread again. You theories ruin the definition of contest, where each participant has equal rights to prove he is best. And not unlike in real life, where one is made to obey, we can impose fair rules here at least.

Why should a woman be in a contest against her husband? Why should men be forced to live like that if they wish to have the company of a female (to reproduce, etc). Your theory; that only Men who obey women, who agree that women should compete against them, who agree that it is right for the woman to deny "her man" what he desires and that it must be punished to the fullest extents possible if he chooses to use his natrual abilities to take what he wishes from his wife rather than be controled by her demands and "market power", that only these men who obey, who agree to such things, may pass on their genes to the next generation..., that theory is in practice and is wicked.

[GreEn`mArine]

well first of all the ladder I administrate is not much of an authority anymore, since it is not really used. The only authority it has left are the definition of the ladder rules which do, however, only really effect the ladder servers running it. But of course that is a needed thing imo, to have people who make sure to setup rules so that the ladder servers (or lets call them competitive gaming servers) are all configured equal. Although I guess I'll hand over that job to others soon anyway since I'm studying abroad for a couple of months, not planning to do administrative Nexuiz tasks in that time (the plan is to hand control over to nexuizclans.com who are having their server configs being very similar/based on the ladder configs).

As for the further proceeding regarding the patch I'll contact you via IRC anyway.

[Komier]

I wouldn't be against a mod for only prediction weapons. In fact, you would probably never see me again except inside that server.