Weapon respawn time for TDM 2v2 ladder and competition play.

[alpha]

I will only vote for any change if it's global, not just for one gametype. Varying item respawn times for say tdm and ctf would be very big fail imo.

[k0jak]

Why would it, there's nothing difficult about it alpha, this was voted on a long time ago, green`marine just wanted to get some more clarification on whether we wanted 25 secs weapons, or with the armour shards health vials and ammo spawning at the same time.

[alpha]

Items must respawn with the same timeouts in every game type.

[ai]

25 secs for weapons, armor etc. would not work for CTF at all. No on would have any weapons then. In fact, 5 secs are quite good for CTF, as you'd need a weapon to defend the base. In TDM and DM you don't need to defend anything more than yourself and your teammate(s).

I don't know, I don't remember clearly but doesn't UT series have weapon stay? Or do they spawn after a while? I remember it like they had weapon stay, and it was quite good. But 5 secs might be even nicer. Gives a little edge if you take enemy's weapons and gives you a slight disadvantage if someone takes from your base.

[GreEn`mArine]

In the end (now) I'm still not pleased with the unanimousity of this "poll". People are sure they want 25 seconds, and for weapons at least, but no clear picture about the health and ammo thing.

I'm still hesitant to setup anything for the ladder now .... but I guess it's best to simply set something up, this way all ladder servers will get it, and if that then wasn't good one can still adjust one more time...

Atm I think I'll go the conservative way and only apply the 25 secs to the weapons. We can't know before hand how much decreasing health/armor (people play more cautious due to having less armor/health in general??) or decreasing ammo (people spam less due to little ammo???)

[Fisume!]

In fact, 5 secs are quite good for CTF, as you'd need a weapon to defend the base.

5 Seconds? Forget it, too short

[ai]

@Green:
Didn't you post that 25 secs for weapons, ammo, armor etc. won or had most votes? If it is too long then one can change it. I think it's easier to notice if this has an impact more than sticking with current time for ammo/health. Cause if the change was too much you would notice, but with a subtle change one could miss it and then later on say that they don't need changing.

@Fisume:
One should defend the base, not wait for weapons while enemy takes flag Instant is too fast, 5 secs could be nice. At least, we could try (more) first before deciding anything.

[esteel]

It depends on the map and your team mates. Usually i find the 15 secs that are default in Nexuiz for all gamemodes ok. Unless ofc you have team mates that pickup guns without leaving some for freshly spawned people OR WORSE that leave none for defenders.
(Greatwall, some guys picks the mg, the rocketlauncher and the armor and then heads out of the base... such players are a PITA)

On the other hand with 15 seconds a enemy player can pickup all guns in the base and thus help his flag carrier as freshly spawned people can't pickup a gun and are not as big a thread to the FC. Of course its harder to get rid of that enemy in the base, but hey isn't that what team play is for?

[k0jak]

esteel, these weapon respawn times are for competitive play only like I said. ai is correct in UT the weapon stay is ON for CTF. and in Q3 i believe its on but i cannot be 100% of this, bundy should know, but i think it is cause in nexuiz vs nerai he said on TeamSpeak "shouldn't WS be on?"

Anyhow, what im trying to say is, I played quite a few clan games of CTF of late, the worst place was on runningman where nerai attacked quickly vs us (allstars) I could not defend and was having to wait all the time for a nex / crylink / electro, most of the time I had shotgun chasing the FC, and was quite annoying that for CTF i could not have weapons often.

I Want this change for ORGANISED competitive games where it is having a negative effect (imo) on gameplay, on publics it isn't really a problem because people just go around doing there own thing in general and you have a lot of new/newbie players.

Another point is this, imagine if once we get more 3v3 ctf activity we go to 5v5 CTF..can you imagine how long you'd be waiting for a weapon? let's say on a map there is 3 weapons in base..thats enough for one each, atleast with a 5 second respawn time we could gather a few weapons and attack more quickly and efficiently, and the defenders would have a chance to go after the FC better as they would not have to wait as long for a weapon. would you rather chase the FC more often with a shotgun fresh off the spawn waiting 15 seconds for a weapon, or 5 seconds? thats the question, and i think the answer is pretty obvious

The whole point of CTF is to make it fast-teambased. You want to be able to grab weapons and go into attacking as a team, and defending.....at the moment most of the time im having to wait quite a while to get weapons and a armour then attack and this takes quite some time, especially on mikectf2 as an example.

I also played facingworlds, and its quite annoying to be waiting for the main weapons, nex / mortar / machinegun / electro which are in base/teleporters for 15 seconds then grab some armour and attack..you get killed a lot and then you have to repeat the process which takes 20 or so seconds at times before you even can attack effectively!

When i attack i remember when i picked up the armour in our base, so if i die, i can get weapons and if armour is in say 5-10 secs time I always get it first before attacking, so it helps me to last longer in battles and stops the enemy using our base items against us


ai said the most sensible thing..it can be tested, why do people comment (like alpha) without even testing before hand and writing everything off.

And on the matter of TDM, i gave enough notice of trying a different respawn time to test for people, a lot of people i see who complain either don't/didn't test the settings for TDM or don't even play TDM in clan matches which is even more frustrating.

[k0jak]

@Green:
Didn't you post that 25 secs for weapons, ammo, armor etc. won or had most votes? If it is too long then one can change it. I think it's easier to notice if this has an impact more than sticking with current time for ammo/health. Cause if the change was too much you would notice, but with a subtle change one could miss it and then later on say that they don't need changing.

I agree here with ai green`marine, but i also took notice of your reply that going conservative approach could be better. I do agree with the conservative approach, but i think as ai said..if we start with everything at 25, if its causing major problems we can just have weapons as 25 seconds.

We've played more with just weapons at 25 seconds, so we have a good 'feel' of the gameplay with this setting, so we are more likely to notice and major changes if there is any of using 25 seconds for health/armour/ammo

I hope this makes some sense... (having to write this quickly).