Weapon respawn time for TDM 2v2 ladder and competition play.

[GreEn`mArine]

I'll do the change today for the ladder, for weapon, health/armor and ammo to 25 seconds. Cheers

[ai]

Cool great, then it's just down to testing.

[alpha]

<kojn> cause i already have armour and health
<kojn> etc ;D
<atheros> nice
<atheros> I need to by a mic
<kojn> would rather do this with 25 seconds on
<``alpha> kojn
<``alpha> I see it like this:
<``alpha> pro players are pushing devs to implement changes for easier game for them
<``alpha> with 15 seconds weapon respawn I for example could grab a nex while you're far away picking armor, shoot you 1-2 times with it and finish you off with a shotgun
<``alpha> but now if weapon respawns once in 25 seconds
<``alpha> you'd have plenty of time to grab all guns, and grab all hp/armor things on map
<``alpha> leaving lower-level players with NOTHING
<atheros> yea
<``alpha> I am AGAINST 15->25 seconds transition
<atheros> we played once TDM as maD with high respawn time
<``alpha> fuck this, kojn
<atheros> we lost big then
<atheros> we couldn't take a weapon other than electro or hagar
<``alpha> exactly
<``alpha> this change would make strong players stronger and everyone else would suck even more
<atheros> and electro vs nex just doesn't do...
<``alpha> heh
<atheros> exactly
<kojn> alpha
<``alpha> ?
<kojn> one more at pickup
<kojn> ctf
<kojn> needed
<kojn> nai
<kojn> nao
<kojn> add
<kojn> nai
<atheros> lol, too late
<``alpha> to late
<``alpha> gl hf
<kojn> <@``alpha> you'd have plenty of time to grab all guns, and grab all hp/armor things on map
<kojn> <@``alpha> leaving lower-level players with NOTHING
<kojn> then play a team your level in TDM
<kojn> change will be done tonight alpha
<kojn> once me and bundy play
<kojn> vs waldi/prayer

Want to ruin a community? Introduce changes like this!!!

[ai]

This is what this thread is for. Testing and giving feedback. Don't just talk about this on IRC, point it out on the forums. As for Atheros, I haven't seen him comment on this at all on the forums, so how would we know if people like it or hate it?
Giving examples is also good, about matches and such cause then one would at least know one tried and tested.

[k0jak]

again alpha, commenting without really playing with the changes enough.

Ofcourse me, bundy, Lo, waldi etc would rape you in 2v2 with these settings.

I get raped in UT atm vs better clans, cause I am not as good...the point is you can learn from our examples, and then apply it to your own game..I never asked you play us in TDM in those irc comments you pasted, like I said, play players your own skill-level.

I don't know why your whining anyway, you don't even play TDM.



<``alpha> pro players are pushing devs to implement changes for easier game for them

I never asked a developer, I put the thread on here ages ago, i pasted the thread on irc multiple times for people to read and test and comment on the thread, the one's who mainly play commented, and the one's who don't play then see it come again then complain (much like yourself).

I don't expect you to play us in TDM, but you treat me as if im god or something even in CTF. I barely play CTF before last 3 weeks, yes I can frag but that doesnt mean you should single me out in every pickup game, there are players like ai / fisume / players in CTF gamemode who are as good if not better.

If you want to learn give us a chance to show you. (read post comment below)

[k0jak]

Also alpha, morfar and ai played against us with these settings, and they do not do bad at all.

Like i tried to explain to you on IRC, bundy will record some games on TeamSpeak (he already did one, but forgot to do the other map which was better).

I will upload these and then make a link to the Teamspeak file AND both our demo pov's this way you can watch and listen to what were saying, and see what were doing, in-game commentary pretty much, surely this will help you (if you ever do decide to play TDM..) become better, and get a better understand how us 'pro?' players are thinking/what we are doing to gain control.

[alpha]

Say what you want, I have outlined your proposal's direct consequences.

[k0jak]

Say what you want, I have outlined your proposal's direct consequences.

Without TESTING.

when will you learn...

[ai]

Oi there again.
I withdraw my opinion for now. I am no longer pro 25 sec, but I'm also not against it. I need more testing time. I think alpha has a point, and a good one at that. Against a strong player it could increase the gap between the players very much. Where the more experienced player could technically control the whole map and weapons by timing effectively leaving the underdog with only shotgun to try to comeback with.
I'm no longer sure whether 25 secs is a good thing. But I've had some very good games with those settings as well, hence why I'm just withdrawing my opinion until I've tried everything out fully.

It would be great if there could be two/three .cfgs on the test servers (pn.de, delight and such) where you could choose between 3 modes. If there is what are they called (and how do you vote for them :p)?
1. Standard, 15 sec on everything like normal.
2. 25 sec for weapons, items and stuff normal settings.
3. 25 sec for all things.

Would it be possible to do that?
The bottom line is, against strong players matches would get kinda boring for the underdogs running only with shotties and stuff. They'd might even give up as they feel it wouldn't lead anywhere anyway.
This needs serious testing, I'm calling upon all to test these. Even if it's with just random people!

This is my view so far.

[alpha]

How very convenient.

<``alpha> you argue that I oppose your changes without testing
<kojn> alpha there is no server atm with the settings on you douche
<``alpha> but then you say that I can't test it either
<kojn> they got lost when pnde servers went down

So Green makes changes regardless of the fact that no one except your clan and friends (like 5 players? or 10?) of the whole nex community have tested your proposal.

How very convenient.