[CTF/KH] PyconicCTF4

[[-z-]]

Okay, well I'm trying to help you reach a broader audience with your maps but if you're just going to ignore my advice, I won't waste my time.

The stairs are weak and the map still lacks flow.

10 is lower than 2 in your naming scheme, this is a problem that many players will be unaware of and many server admins won't care to support. I for one plan on dropping support for maps that do not follow standards in the not so distance future.

If you value your pride above exposure, then by all means, keep your single number versioning.

[divVerent]

Or rather - if you WANT to keep on single-number versioning, use it safely:

mapname_v01.pk3
mapname_v02.pk3
mapname_v03.pk3
...
mapname_v42.pk3

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

Div: It's not pretty, it has underscores and such. Do people just pile every version of every map on a server? Also sometimes I go into the triple digits.

[-Z-]:
10 isn't lower than 2 in my scheme. I just use sequential numbers.
mapnameNUMBER.pk3 . The pk3 name is the same as the .map name (and bsp etc etc etc). It is, infact, the simplest of "schemes" and I use it because it is easiest for me in GTKRadiant to save an edit to my map as mapnameNUMBER++.

I use the positive real number system.

If you want to stop using my maps because I don't name my pk3s the way you want that is absolutly fine, >>>STALIN<<< >>>>HITER*<<<< >>>>>MAO<<<<<.

I use the number inback of mapname because it looks nicer than the other way with the dots and the underscores and the Vees.

Basically just build numbers.

I do constant backups, that's where the numbers come from; 10 is 8 significant changes more than 2: 10 is the newest map, 2 the older one.

Drop support for my maps if you need, I have my own server.

I support numbers, proudly, as they were meant to be used... without underscores.... sometimes without even decimals.... but I never let my numbers stand alone; they are always comforted by a string in front.

*That's right, godwined!

As for flow, I agree. I've been trying to improve it this week and last.

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TMK this is all about people dumping all versions of maps into one dir and wanting the newest to override all the oldests.

Isn't that a bit careless? Cavalier? I always know what I'm adding to my server.
I unlink the old ones (I use symlinks) and link in the new ones.

Why does the mapper have to accomidate the server admin's careless attitude. Shouldn't we all lookout for what we put in our own servers rather than relying on others? Remeber that supreme court decision "your server, your choice"...

As an aside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDrfQhTjnbE
LoL

[[-z-]]

Human readable means squat to the game. Nexuiz will see 10 before 2, unless you name then with a preceding zero as divVerent outlined above.

Lets take a look at a realistic situation:

Most users don't know specific names of maps but they can remember part of them. This is fine because Nexuiz supports partial matches for map change requests. If I were to call a vote: chmap pycon, the latest map would load.. unless I have say version 9 and 10, in which case, version 9 would take priority.

Shouldn't we all lookout for what we put in our own servers rather than relying on others?

Obviously we should be aware of what files we are putting on our servers but the need for standards exists. Map authors who don't attempt to comply with standards are selfish. This creates more trouble for other admins as well as users. Sure, I can rename your maps but then users will be downloading them twice. Help us, help you.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

For new maps I make I will use a triple zero versioning system from the start:
Old: blabla1 = New: blabla001

For old maps that are just updated I will continue using normal legacy versioning system I think (they allready have the problem (xxx9 will always beat out xxx10, xxx11,).

So I agree, from now on, my new maps will use enough numerals to work with the tabcompletion and overridation when people just pile up the maps.

Also note: on my server I do remove old versions, so when people dl allready released maps from my server they are the newest (they don't have to worry , the old map is gone from server's data dirs, it cannot override the new one).

As for selfishness: Those who don't make maps are more selfish. I think more people should make maps .

Also, could you make more haloish maps? (Halo3ish maybe, see if you can borrow that game, it has some nice art and level concepts, I like the indoor + outdoor leves, could you build on that idea but make them more indepth?)

[[-z-]]

I can think up a few more reasons why you shouldn't do it that way because you're just treating a symptom but I assume this will fall on deaf ears.

If for example, someone who runs a map repository wanted to parse map information into a database based on their bsp, pk3 or whatever else uses the convention's name... yours would surely be missed.

Map authors will do what they want, there is no stopping that. I'm just trying to help streamline the process we can all benefit from.

"You're either part of the problem or part of the solution, what's your contribution to life?"

As for selfishness: Those who don't make maps are more selfish. I think more people should make maps .

I can agree to an extent but I believe making a map improperly can be insulting. Learning about a gaming community and their culture is important if you're trying to create worlds for their players to play in. Ignoring these details can come off as disrespectful. I'm speaking objectively here. Aside from your "quirks", I think you are very respectful in the art of mapping. I appreciate your willingness and abilities to push the limits of the engine and your intelligence keeps these abilities sharp.

Once you figure out that whole multiple pathway thing I think you'll come out with some really solid maps.

Also, could you make more haloish maps? (Halo3ish maybe, see if you can borrow that game, it has some nice art and level concepts, I like the indoor + outdoor leves, could you build on that idea but make them more indepth?)

The road is long my friend. When I have some more free time, I will indeed continue making halo maps, definitely interested in more halo and halo 2 maps. Not so sure about halo 3, I'm not saying no but I'm not saying yes.

I have to finish up whizard_v1r4 first.