Working on new weapon: camping-rifle

[ai]

You have no problems taking critique for your maps, maybe you should stick with that if you cannot take critique for anything else.

Screw you. Don't tell me what to work on/not work on.

I'm just trying to improve your work, that's what critique is all about. Some people think that critique is bad thing said by people only to hurt the artists/creators. Really, I am trying to help. I hope you'll see that before you use the same language and manner on someone that's as not as tolerant as me, I can take this kind of behavior directed at me. Others minght not, and that will give you enemies (as I'm sure you already have some).

I figured you'd all try to discourage me.

Again, at least in my case I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm trying to improve your work. Sometimes it's a good thing to listen to others and take their advice. Don't let your pride in your work turn into arrogance and bad behavior.
I learned something very valuable one day from 3D Buzz: "Always be prepared to dissect your work if needed. A professional artist should always be prepared that no matter how much time he/she spent on a project and how good it looks, to have it thrown out the window, spit on and burned"

To take an example. A guy at Dice when Battlefield 2042 wasn't even out yet, one modeler made an AWESOME vehicle, I think it was included in one of the original posters. However it wasn't included in the game. This artist had spent a lot of time on this and was VERY proud of it. But then for some reason (I think it wasn't fully rigged and time was out and they had to ship the game or something) they just threw that model out of the game. That guy was crushed but he swallowed his pride in his work and continues on to do more stuff.
I know this as they personally told my class when they visited the university I was studying at. Our university was the only one who had to opportunity to see behind the scenes, deleted stuff and their workflow, was quite cool as Dice is a leading game company in Sweden.

So, to sum up. You should always be prepared to redo anything you do for whatever (good) reason, or to simply throw it out no matter how good it looks or how well it works. I go by that motto that's why I DO have pride, but not so much pride that I lash out on the people criticizing my work. In my field of work I HAVE to be able to take critique or I won't make it.

I gotta tell you, it was hard at the beginning when people criticized my work, I felt like giving up. But I'm a stubborn guy and want to prove everyone wrong so I keep improving and learn to listen and adapt I think this is one of the reasons why I'm so tolerant with people.

If I listened to or followed the nexuiz community I'd be making worthless spacefloaters and posting topics such as "let's tally how many times we took a SHIT or a PISS... BEER BERR BEEERRRRJRJRJRJJRJR" which is more idioic than I've seen on any form ever (seriously... wtf?).
First to 1000 pisses winziors!!!11'

I do agree that those topics are worthless and I do not participate in such. Only the most recent one (Funny things thread) where I posted 1 post. I may have participated when those where something new, exciting and fun, but now they've been done to death IMO. I even rarely go into the Alientrap General category as I don't think anything else have been posted but in those categories.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

https://cat2.optus.nu/cat2/campingrifle.blend




Did more work.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

A professional artist should

I'm not gay)); I'm not an artist.

[ai]

A professional artist should

I'm not gay)); I'm not an artist.

Definition of an artist:
A person who is skilled at something
A person whose creative work shows sensitivity and imagination
The definition of an artist is wide-ranging and covers a broad spectrum of activities to do with creating art, practicing the arts and/or demonstrating an art
A person whose work shows exceptional creative ability or skill
One, such as an actor or singer, who works in the performing arts.

Ok my bad, you are NO artist. You don't have skill or imagination of any kind. If you do, you are gay)), right?

EDIT: Oh and btw, that model STILL doesn't fit the Nexuiz style and looks like something from WW2.

[[-z-]]

I never understood why you continually "shoot yourself in the foot" so to speak when people are genuinely trying to help you. Is the act of repulsing people to the point they no longer wish to pay attention to you more rewarding then learning?

[divVerent]

Div said he'd include a camperrifle if I made one. We're not limited to 9 weaps anymore.

It does have to fit the Nexuiz style somehow.

However, even if it does not fit, you'll be able to put it on your server. I do volunteer to make the code for it, so you can patch your server to include the rifle - even if it does not fit Nexuiz style at all.

[take_this_cup_of_poison]

Ok, I'll make it look more futuristic... though that is mostly in the realm of texturing (I'm not good at that). I'll see if I can make the buttstock better and more futurey... does that also mean a scope? It's still going to have side loading magazine and the muzzle break as these are the key asthetic features I wanted in the model.
...
It just won't have any wood now.
Can you give ideas for texturing and futuristic stuff?


AI: Thankyou
I would never want to be thought of as an ... "enlightened" individual. Thus I abhor the artist lable and seek to avoid it (and successfully).

This is because artists commonly believe in social structures that I am against.
This is also the reason I'm shying away from the terms: "american" "westerner" etc

[torus]

This is because artists commonly believe in social structures that I am against.
This is also the reason I'm shying away from the terms: "american" "westerner" etc

So does the rest of the civilized world.

[HarryButt]

This is kinda weird. May I have an explanation what these social structures are, that you are against and in which artists do believe? Because I consider myself an "artist". At least some kind of, cause if I had to put a label on my face, I'd choose this one. And I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. But please don't take this thread off topic, gimme a PM instead.

Sincerely yours,
HarryButt

[Oblivion]

A professional artist should

I'm not gay)); I'm not an artist.

I'm gay)) and I'm an artist, neither american, nor a westerner. And I take that incredibly dumb homophobic comment as an insult.

(Although I can also take it as a compliment that you think gay)) guys have better imagination than straight guys, ROFLMAO. At least with your model that's true)

If you can't accept criticism for your work, I doubt you'll ever have anything usable by Nexuiz. You might as well just make your own game, which doesn't use artists just 'normal' unskilled people you seem to adore.

I'm also from a mod team, and the way we work there is very rigid but rewarding. Everything must fit the game universe. We either work from concepts other people made, or we made with approval of the bosses, but either way, we don't just make something and insist it's good because it's ours. Our art director can say redo the model entirely anytime and we'd do it too.

The rifle looks like a bad hybrid of a steam punk, WW2, and the jetsons. That's me being brutally honest. No amount of texture, bump maps, nor normal maps can change that. I should know too, since I'm also a texture artist.

Does that make me elitist?

If your definition of an ideal is mediocrity (not even that, as I can see) try Communist North Korea. They hate artists, scholars, and whatnot. You'll fit right in.

Another pointless rebel. Bah. When did Simple Simon join the ranks of teenage heroes these days?

Go back to playing WoW or something.

P.S. I'm mildly anarchist and idealist. Does that fit into your view of a 'gay))' artist?