IllFonic's Nexuiz

[ArgeadGER]

You wrote that some features of Console Nex might be brought to GPL Nex.
Is this Ranking System youve made part of that plan? Because I think that´d be a huge improvement to Nex.

[tChr]

Right now releasing things to the public is uncertain. There are a lot of things related to the SDK's for the consoles, etc. that do not allow for GPL usage. You have to keep in mind the content we are creating is a lot different than the content made for GPL Nexuiz. I know you guys would love to see it there. I just cannot give you a definitive answer on this right now.

This although I understand why is the most depressing part of this, as the worst quality of Nexuiz at the moment is poor models and artwork. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the artwork we have now considering it's done on everyones free time and without pay, but it obviously doesn't match up to that of what a company could produce with professional artists and a concrete theme/style of the game.

I agree with you on this, I know its a bummer to see this better looking content. But keep in mind these are all paid professionals working on this project. This is our hard work on this content that pays our bills. We simply cannot give it away for free at this time.

I just wanted to offer some free communication advice.

That there is a lousy argument in an open source forum, and you should not (can not) expect it to be met with any kind of understanding, considering youa re facing people who has done exactly that: giving away their knowledge and work time for free.

[Evilsoul]

I .. I do have some questions .. so you planned to make a PS3-FPS .. and you didn't have the time/money/whatever to program an engine of your own ..

Why haven't you just asked for the Nexuiz engine to be developed further?
Just because of money?
Why the name and the URL?
If the PS3-Players don't know about Nexuiz, why is the name of such importance?
If you create a war scenario a la Halo, why don't name it "Nexuiz Wars"?
Did you know it should've been named "Nexiuz"? You bought a typo!
And why for the sake of humanity does your logo look like the third-reich's flag? (This scares me the most!)

[mand1nga]

So IllFonic has the name, some thousand free work hours, the very soul, the logo, the URL, the sourcecode and endless brainstorming sessions?

And all we get is a lousy 116x16 Web 2.0-flash button?

I cannot blame Illfonic, they are just capitalists .. i blame AT ! That's your understanding of the Open Source philosophy?

edit: typos..

It depends on what you consider AT is, at this time I think we're talking about only one person (guess who)

As for now it seems that not a single Nexuiz developer (including me) knew about this, aside of those who were working on Darkplaces.

I'm not happy either of seeing that all the work and care I gave to the project got reduced to that tiny banner on the homepage.

Not much more to say right now, I still can't believe this.

[Kedhrin]

I just wanted to offer some free communication advice.

That there is a lousy argument in an open source forum, and you should not (can not) expect it to be met with any kind of understanding, considering youa re facing people who has done exactly that: giving away their knowledge and work time for free.

I'm from the open source community. I know all about it, and where you guys are coming from and why you're making the points you are. However, what we are doing is not open sourced. Yes this is a commercial project. Things are done differently. We've made up our minds on a lot of things. I want to discuss why we're doing things specific ways where I can. Some things we can shift on that aren't a big deal. Some things we cannot. That's just how it is. I know there are hardcore, gun-ho open-source people in this community who pride themselves on being involved with a Free Game. I respect them I do, but at the end of the day I want to give players a great experience and support developers where I can. I cannot make everyone happy.

That's why I keep saying we're separate entities. We are not touching GPL Nexuiz in a bad way. But the benefits you guys will see from our development will be on the tech side. Game Design changes and features are my design and part of this new Nexuiz. There are a lot of things that will be coming your way that we have been working on with LordHavoc on the engine. You guys will see these changes and it will make your experience better on GPL Nexuiz.

If you're concerned about you getting a gain from this deal because you contributed so much - IllFonic is not responsible for that.

[Kedhrin]

I .. I do have some questions .. so you planned to make a PS3-FPS .. and you didn't have the time/money/whatever to program an engine of your own ..

Why haven't you just asked for the Nexuiz engine to be developed further?
Just because of money?
Why the name and the URL?
If the PS3-Players don't know about Nexuiz, why is the name of such importance?
If you create a war scenario a la Halo, why don't name it "Nexuiz Wars"?
Did you know it should've been named "Nexiuz"? You bought a typo!
And why for the sake of humanity does your logo look like the third-reich's flag? (This scares me the most!)

hi
The Nexuiz Engine (DarkPlaces) is being developed further by Forest "LordHavoc" Hale
i don't understand what you mean by money
i have no further comments to make about the name
I don't really see it being a nazi flag....
thanks!

[Alien]

Hello, long time.

I would like to hear div0's (especially) and black's opinion. They both worked on the engine. If darkplaces was relicensed as commercial, how about their portions of code. Were these dropped ? It was one of the things lordhavoc didn't want to introduce (patches from external devs, e.g. BSD networking patch) so he could relicense the game easier. I suppose LH rewrote ID's part of the engine's code so he can do whatever he wants then, even close it. Yet I am wondering about DP code, which came from external devs (not only div, black). You can check them at DP changelog, todo, etc...

Nexuiz can still have nexuiz name. We need to get back the domain (I doubt it's possible), yet we can register some nexuiz.tld before some squatters do it.
Open for suggestions.

[Mirio]

Its not GPL Nexuiz - its N E X U I Z - yours in ConsoleNexuiz!

Did you guys ever think about the people behind the scenes who spend their free time and create an awesome game? NO ! You just take their passion! If you are such great developers..
Why you don't create your own FPS , with an own name , an own site??
Think about the _humans_ not about the _money_ . Jesus..

[C.Brutail]

Kedhrin, I suggest you and your fellow developers to start a real conversation with us. As you can see, Vermeulen doesn't really communicate with us, so it'd be nice to know the story from square one: who are you really, how'd you came up with the idea of forking Nexuiz to PS3, etc. etc. It would be realy nice to have a personal introduction from all the major developers at Illfonic. You know, we're all friends here, and we've always done open discussions about everything, even if there were some major arguments, that made developers and players leave the scene. What I'm trying to say, that trust and straightness are the major column of our community. I'm sorry to have to say this, but untill you're not straight with us, you won't earn our respect and trust, and in the end you'll only gain hate.

I don't think you've realised yet: AlienTrap is NOT developing this game now for years. At least it's not the same AT that released Nexuiz 1.0.
The developers, that you name as AlienTrap, is really THE NEXUIZ COMMUNITY.

Also, one really aching point: You're talking about respect and homage to Nexuiz by porting and creating a new game on PS3. Still, you start to refer the original game as GPL Nexuiz, and the new one as simply Nexuiz.

WRONG.

It's we who Nexuiz is. Not Illfonic's Commercial Nexuiz.

I think the whole Nexuiz community would agree with every move you make, if you'd start the homage with NOT STEALING THE NAME.
A crazy, ideal and naive idea from me: if you do care about us, let us to decide the title of Illfonic's Nexuiz. The original players, developers. It would be an honor for us, and a big reputation gain for You. As you can see, we have pretty enough creative minds. If you lend us this opportunity, we promise we won't let you down!
Think about it! Press releases inform the whole world, that you, IllFonic, the proud owner of the Nexuiz name let the original community to decide about a title of your new game, showing your respect to us, while we give the same for you! This would be the most awesome market move!
Similar how id software handled the scandal that the source code of Quake leaked out, and a lonely developer ported it to Linux. Instead of sueing him, they have merged his code, and made it official.

I can already see the covers of online newspapers: "IllFonic is walking in the shoes of John Carmack".

Do you need more attetion than this?

What about forwarding this idea to your marketing management?

[C.Brutail]

Of course, we'd agree that Nexuiz still remains in IllFonic's game name.