New 1vs1 tournament being organized: EU and NA together?

[mkzelda]

I don't know if its been done before but I think it'd be really cool if we have a seperate tourney for NA and EU and then another tourney where the best of the two compete.

[liolak]

GreEn`mArine wrote:
Well, the script won't allow us to do that, sorry. Of course, we could to it manually. But still, I'd suggest that both tourneys are played until the end, so we get the rankings. Then the top4 or top 8 of each tournament can signup for a new tournament which is dedicated for these 8 (or 16) players only, hence only the applications of these 16 players will be accepted by the tourney admin.

the only problem I see with that is that the less good players from NA wont have the chance to play with the less good players from europe and vice versa. so i voted for the world wide tounament and the ping and timezone problems that come with it. maybe a solution to the ping problem could be : make 2 games , 1 on euro server and 1 on NA server and the total of the scores from the 2 games determine the winner.

[mist]

run EU and NA tornaments side by side

pros:

* the duration of the tornament will be shorter

* reduced time zone/ping issues

* game will be played simultaneously (for example, in play-off stage EU players wont have to wait for NA players to finish their matches and vice versa) its like watching the UEFA Champions League with 3 games played at the same time - same thing

cons:

* even in EU players might struggle to find a mutually suitable time for a battle especially on workdays

and good luck organising it

[Rad Ished]

Is it possible for a spectator of a nexuiz match to send his nexuiz output to a video stream and so allow live unlimited coverage of kojn thrashing his american counterpart in the final? xD
I think that the separate tournaments idea is the most workable, where the best 8 or 16 play in a mixed tournament.

[utze]

side by side!!!


GreEn already mentioned the problems with one tourney for all.
Since i have personally experienced all the problems in the past, there is only one choice for me:
Two seperate Tourneys.

Though i really like the idea of the winners playing against each other

[GreEn`mArine]

wow. while having a look at the vote results I can already see in which direction it is headed . And most of you guys expressed what you would like most just in different words: having 3 tournaments, while we first play 2 tourneys side by side and then a 3rd one. Of which players this 3rd tourney exists can still be discussed at a later point of time, the possible options as suggested until now are:

• not really having a 3rd tourney, but only a super-grand-final between the euro winner and the NA winner
• picking either the top 2, top4 or top8 of both tournamts and let them play against each other
• creating a country rating (this wouldn't really be a 3rd tourney, but rather a few individual games), which means that probably a few games between players of the same nation have to be played (if they dropped out of the tourney at the same stage)

Is it possible for a spectator of a nexuiz match to send his nexuiz output to a video stream and so allow live unlimited coverage...

Of course this would be possible. However, someone would need the equipment and the time, and I'm quite pessimistic about this to happen. A radio-stream could be more successful and it would be easier to do.

[nifrek]

I know this is early, but do you already have plans about the rules? Single/double elimination? Do players get to pick the maps (from map pool) to be played ie: 1 player picks 1st map, the other picks 2nd map, 3rd one picked by you (if needed)?

Also, will you allow spectators?

Heh, sorry, but I'm excited. I know in NA there are 4 or 5 players that are very close in skill, I can't even imagine what the results will be, especially with those matches being "official", with the pressure and all.

[GreEn`mArine]

The rules are already done, bascially. The new system will allow us to have group matches first. This means: first an arbitrary number of players signs up and the admins rate them, then the script creates groups that consists of 3 or more players each (based on the ratings, so the groups should not consist of more than 2 good players). Then everyone plays against everyone else in his/her group. Then the top2 of each group advance into a double elimination bracket. The placement of the players for the double elimination is also done by the script alone, and is not based on the rating points anymore, but on the results of the matches of the group stage. It will also try to avoid that players who have already played against each other will play again against each other too soon.

The only thing that is not 100% clear is the thing with the maps:
Basically, each player chooses one map, and these 2 maps are played. If one map is won by each player, or if there was at least one draw game on these 2 maps, a 3rd map has to be played. I have not setup any rule yet what this 3rd map is. I would like the players to agree on one. If this is not possible, I could also enforce a map, but this is a rather bad solution. When 2 players face each other that had to use different servers for each map (EU + NA player) one could agree on this: one player chooses map, other player chooses the server (but only if the 2 players agree on this kind of solution).

And, iirc, it is allowed to have a draw in games of the group stage, but not in games of the bracket stage (of course not, there has to be a winner). This means, that matches in the group stage where each player won a map, or where both maps were a draw, can be considered a draw in the tourney script as well. However, matches where one map was won and one map was a draw also require to play a 3rd map. If this third map is then won by the other player, the game is a draw (because if you look at all three matches you have one map for player x, one map for player y, and one draw map). Otherwise it's a win for the other player.

[nifrek]

I agree with all of this. There's just one thing, except that it's probably not possible unless I'm not aware of this feature in nexuiz, it's about games that draw. IMO it has no place in a tournament. Instead, there should be overtime ie: if score is a draw when timelimit hits, 2 minutes of overtime should automatically be added, or something like that. That would rule out having to play more than 3 maps.

[GreEn`mArine]

Well, there is a sudden-death overtime feature in nexuiz, where you can specify how many minutes to add as overtime, while the first kill in the overtime ends the match. But first of all I haven't tested this feature (I don't know whether it will repeatingly add overtime or not, or whether it still works after the timelimit has been dynamically extended due to ready-restart in v2.4) and also I didn't consider it, because I would actually like to use the normal ladder servers where a draw is absolutely possible. The only thing I would consider is to first test whether this feature still works and whether it works the way it is needed, and then create additions to the ladder-server-configs so that the overtime mode is votable on ladder servers, too. This would then allow to switch the overtime mode dynamically by a vote call.