New 1vs1 tournament being organized: Use overtime feature?

[GreEn`mArine]

As I already mentioned it in this thread, I would like to find out what you guys think about the usage of the overtime feature.

The reason is, that at this moment I would like to use the ladder servers of the Nexuiz ladders for the tourney, as these servers already exist and are working fine. However, as the ladder does allow games to be a draw, these servers were also setup accordingly. Depending on the result of this vote I would introduce additions to the ladder server configs, where the admins have to add a overtime_enable and overtime_disable alias which has to be votable, so that players can enable or disable it, depending on whether they play ladder or tournament matches.

What does the overtime feature do?
The overtime feature is already built into Nexuiz and will check whether the 2 players have the same score when the timelimit has been hit. If this is the case, it will add an configurable amount of time. The game ends either on the first frag that happens within this time (so you could say it's similar to a golden goal in football) or when this added time has elapsed. To make sure that this doesn't happen, I'd suggest to add a time of 60 minutes. I am pretty sure that no dueller has the stamina to keep hiding for 60 minutes

Advantages of using overtime:
Regarding the upcoming tournament, the advantage of using this would be that we can clearly say that we are using the "normal" Best-Of-Three system. When not using it, we are kinda using a custom system, where we have to deal with draw games. Other than that, the games will probably be shorter (in a sense that sometimes less maps will have to be played), and they will also get more interesing and receive additional drama moments when overtime is really used.

Disadvantages of using overtime:

Well personally I'd rather have draw games than overtime with first frag winning the game which kinda suck IMO. If a player got killed a few seconds before timelimit hits and it gets into overtime, it's a bit unfair because he most likely will get killed right away again, having just respawned. Frags just happen way too fast for sudden-death.

The possible options:
a) don't use overtime at all (will allow draw games and can make matches longer because sometimes more maps have to be played).
b) use overtime only for the bracket games, but not yet for the group games.
c) use overtime already in group matches and also in bracket matches

[mkzelda]

I would vote "yes" to an overtime which added an additional 5 minutes to the clock, but "no" to an overtime which rewards the first kill. I haven't voted yet because I'm not sure I'm reading the vote right or that the options reflect that.

Also, I know what a bracket match is but what is a group match?

[GreEn`mArine]

There is no such feature in Nexuiz that adds overtime of 5 minutes (or any number of minutes) and that just waits until this time is over. Thus we only have the option for sudden-death overtime.

Group matches are explained in the initial thread, see here

[k0jak]

Sudden-death overtime is fine then, its better then draws..

[GreEn`mArine]

I was working on the tourney mod today. Besides including a bugfix for the CTF problem (map wouldn't restart if flags were carried) I also implemented the possibility to simply extend the timelimit by the number of minutes specified in timelimit_maxovertime when the timelimit was hit and the players had equal scores.

This allows us to have real overtimes without sudden death. The tourney mod will be released soon, at least before the tournament begins, so that all servers can be setup before.

[nifrek]

That's great.

[GreEn`mArine]

So, now that this poll has been open for 2 weeks I'd like to close it.

Players who didn't want overtime at all: 9
Players who wanted overtime for bracket games: 8 + 6 = 14
Players who wanted overtime for all games: 6

This means that we will use overtime, but only for the bracket games.

I think it is reasonable that I added the numbers (8+6) together, because the players who voted for using timeout for all games would definetely want to rather have it at least for the bracket games instead of not having it at all.

As I said, I'll release the new tourney mod which allows us to simply extend the timelimit once timelimit was hit. The question is: by how many minutes should be extended? I'd suggest to extend it by 2 minutes.

[The mysterious Mr. 4m]

i don't really like the overtime feature.

[mkzelda]

I think it is reasonable that I added the numbers (8+6) together, because the players who voted for using timeout for all games would definetely want to rather have it at least for the bracket games instead of not having it at all.

You can't make assumptions about what people wanted on their behalf. That defeats the purpose of the vote. You could just as easily assume that those who only wanted it in brackets would rather have in brackets or not have sudden death at all. If you want the overtime feature just add it. You run the tourney/ladder system, you've done the tourney coding work and I'll give due credit. However, you cant just add different choices as needed. You ruin the credibility of the poll, and the incentive to participate in future polls.

As for the amount of time added, why does it matter? It's sudden death. You only need enough time for 1 kill, so you could add 9000 hours if you wanted. As long as the extended time isn't so short you end up with another draw, anything works. Turtling isn't a problem in sudden death cause it can't win.

[GreEn`mArine]

We won't use sudden death overtime, but real overtime (since I added it to the tourney mod), hence the number of minutes added do matter.

Other than that I must admit that I've actually really wanted to have overtime (at least in the double elimination bracket games), since I think it makes sense and adds additional drama to the playoffs. Since I was sure the majority thinks this way, too, I created this poll, without really thinking about it that more people would want no overtime. I assume quite a few people voted who have not really clue about tournaments, because bascially draws make everything more complicated.

However,
For everyone: This poll has been a farce. I've not really wanted everyone to determine whether overtime would make sense, I just wanted overtime. Now we have overtime, since I think it's really the best choice. Chinese conditions for everyone.

If this hinders you to vote on any future polls, then just don't do it. I am sorry for being such an asshole anyway.