Nexuiz 2.4.2 and ATI Radeon 48XX - WARNING, Avoid this Card

[irrlicht]

Hello Gentlemen,

unfortunatelly Nexuiz 2.4.2 is also crashing on my new PC. . . .and not only on mine. I found in other forums many other comments from people with the ATI Radeon 48XX, who seem to have problems in combination with Nexuiz and many other OpenGL based applications.

What happens:
Sometimes the startupscreen (main menue) is already colorful crap. When i switch back to the windows explorer screen, and then again back to the game, then then menue is suddenly working. . . . .however during the game itself, the screen freezes completely and the PC has to be hard resetted. These freezes happen 2 seconds till some minutes after entering the game. I tried already to play with the Nexuiz settings (switch off all extras, Switch off OpenGL 2.0, tried all resolutions) but it didnt help. Also playing with the ATI driver (change quality settings, switch off A.I. . . . ) didnt help.

The System:
ATI 4850 512MB with latest Catalyst 8.8 driver
ASUS P5Q board with P45 Chipset
Intel E8400 Wolfdale
2GB RAM
WinXP SP2
DirectX 9C

No Overclocking or other tweaking done.

I suspect strongly that the ATI driver causes the problem. Does anybody else have the same experience? . . . . .and maybe even a workaround?

Thank you very much in advance


EDIT: A dude named Sirmabus posted this about the problem in the ATI forum. Seems to be an ATI driver Problem

[Barfly]

I have had this issue with one of my windows comps before, one time it was a driver issue, I had to roll back the driver to a previous one.

Another time it was when I installed 2.4 on a machine that ran 2.3 fine, it seems the only way I could get it to work was when I set the resolution the same as the desktop.
You could try these 2 things and see if it helps but the best advice would be to stay away from ATI in future purchases, they have shit driver support and its a nightmare in Linux.

Nvidia ftw

[irrlicht]

I have had this issue with one of my windows comps before, one time it was a driver issue, I had to roll back the driver to a previous one.

Another time it was when I installed 2.4 on a machine that ran 2.3 fine, it seems the only way I could get it to work was when I set the resolution the same as the desktop.
You could try these 2 things and see if it helps but the best advice would be to stay away from ATI in future purchases, they have shit driver support and its a nightmare in Linux.

Nvidia ftw

Thanks for your reply. I tested already the resolution trick. . . no success. I´ll try the driver rollback when i am back home from work. Unfortunatelly there are only 2 prereleases which are working with the 4850.....both are pretty buggy, so the chances are low that i can resolve the problem by that.

You are right. . .before i had an old Nvidia GeForce 6800 2go in my Laptop. It never disappointed me and it was easy to tweak the latest drivers to run on that old machine.

[irrlicht]

Ok, after rolling backward and forward all available Catalyst drivers, installation of ATI and Windows Hotfixes, updating BIOS and Chipset. . . . . . I do believe what the people write in the ATI Forum. The ATI 4850 driver (latest version now 8.8 ) is NOT able to run OpenGL games with XP

So if you want to play Nexuiz. . . . . avoid the Radeon 4850

Almost every OpenGL Game is affected. This failure is known since the 3850 and has not been solved yet, so no quick solution can be expected from ATI

Its a pity.....on 1650x1050 and medium settings i had up to 750fps. . . .before it froze to 0fps


In the next days i am going to change it for a Nvidia 8800. . . . . better 10% less frames than no frame at all.

[Sepelio]

The card doesnt support OpenGL... thats just retarded. Severely. Hope you get it fixed!

ATI's drivers have been gimped for far far far too long.

[Barfly]

The card is suppose to support opengl 2.0

another thing to try is to run nexuiz-sdl

I seem to remember that working for some people that had issues a few months ago.

I hate ATI

[irrlicht]

Thank you for your anticipation. I just became so angry that i plugged out this rotten ATI4850. It cost me 2 days of spare time and nerves. To be honest. . . i bought the whole PC including this graphic card JUST for Nexuiz, because i barely play something else due to lack of time.

Damn it and damn ATI. I cant believe that i also hold shares from this company. . . .i should sell them as quick as possible, before the people get a clue what crap they are developing.

[Barfly]

Damn it and damn ATI. I cant believe that i also hold shares from this company. . . .i should sell them as quick as possible, before the people get a clue what crap they are developing.

ROTFLMAO

I did some reading as well , it seems others are having problems with this card, and it seems to be opengl games that are having the problems, however some people say they have the same card and the same game and are not having problems..go figure!

I always thought ATI would get it's shit together after AMD bought them, but now AMD is loosing it's ass on the CPU side and I read that they let go of thoudands of people, support seems to be the first to go in these large companies.

[irrlicht]

however some people say they have the same card and the same game and are not having problems..go figure!
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Yes, you are right. Indeed people claim that, however i also found settings where i could play about 20 minutes till it crashed. . . who knows if the people tested so long. . . . and anyway Nexuiz seems to be an absolute NoGo for this card.

I requested some minutes ago the RMA for the ATI4850 and ordered already the 9800GTX+ from Nvidia, and then i dont want to hear anything again anymore from ATI. Indeed its a pity how AMD / ATI performed in the last 12 Months. AMD slept when Intel prepared the step to the 45nm production (and is having 32nm golden samples, developing already 22nm) and ATI. . . . .well i guess they have outsourced their driver development in a backyard somewhere is Asia. . . . ah. . . i am still angry.

[tZork]

hmm thats really bad news. i need a new card and strongly considered this one. Are you sure you had enough power and cooling? from what i read this card preforms very, very good but is a real hot running power hog. anyways tnx for the heads up.