Nexuiz 2.4.2 and ATI Radeon 48XX - WARNING, Avoid this Card

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Postby irrlicht » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:51 pm

tZork wrote:hmm thats really bad news. i need a new card and strongly considered this one. Are you sure you had enough power and cooling? from what i read this card preforms very, very good but is a real hot running power hog. anyways tnx for the heads up.



Yes, i am sure that it was well cooled. I have four fans running to cool the pc case and only high efficiency components inside, like the 65W TDP Wolfdale CPU and a 85% efficiency power supply. Furthermore the card crashed often 2s after entering the game. . . .in dont think that the core temperature can rise so quickly. The next argument against overheating is that the screen was frozen with the last frame. An overheated GPU causes a black- or bluescreen.
The power was for sure sufficient. . . . The 550W powersupply has a load of max 240W in this PC


Stick to NVidia if you dont want to waste time and money. . . . The XFX GT8800 Alphadog is available here for ~100€, and its more than ok for Nexuiz. Even Crysis should run on that with medium settings.

From the technical point of view, The ATI is surely a fancy piece of silicon. . . .1TF calculating power for 130€, but the driver spoils the whole product. There is no alternative driver, and the problem exists since over one year and nobody at ATI cared to fix it. I called the ATI helpdesk and also wrote a failure report. . . .nobody picks up, nobody replies. . . . as i told you: just waste of time.
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Postby Juppy » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:42 am

Damn, and I wanted to buy the HD 4850 =/
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Postby esteel » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:15 am

Well being a linux user and seeing that the ati drivers are getting better but still are not there it was an easy choice on what to get :-)
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Postby avanderveen » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:22 am

esteel is right, the ATI Linux drivers are fantastic in comparison to the other Linux selection.

Another note, I agree that it likely is not an overheating issue as these cards run reasonably cool compared to previous generations' higher-end offerings (think 2900XT).

Also, another note: Catalyst 8.9 is out now, and it should handle OpenGL fine as far as I know.

Finally, and most importantly: You and others have found the issue to be with the drivers (software) not with the actual hardware itself. So, this is no reason to tell people not to get a 48xx card, as AMD is often releasing new drivers for their cards. There's also the fact that the 48xx series cards are the best on the market right now and are serious bang for the buck.

GAH! Why would you go through all trouble with RMA-ing the card? Obviously the problem is going to be addressed, and likely well before you get your new 9800GTX+ (which is not as good of a card). In fact, as I said before, the new driver is already out.

I love this quote:
I always thought ATI would get it's shit together after AMD bought them, but now AMD is loosing it's ass on the CPU side and I read that they let go of thoudands of people, support seems to be the first to go in these large companies.


What the fuck? How did ATI not get better after the acquisition? The current 4xxx series is DOMINATING nVidia... Epic /fail.
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Postby Ed » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:52 am

Troll senses tingling.

avanderveen wrote:esteel is right, the ATI Linux drivers are fantastic in comparison to the other Linux selection.

No. Just no. How much of a Linux user are you if you're extrolling the virtues of ATi's drivers?

avanderveen wrote:Also, another note: Catalyst 8.9 is out now, and it should handle OpenGL fine as far as I know.

No ATi driver has ever handled OpenGL properly.

avanderveen wrote:There's also the fact that the 48xx series cards are the best on the market right now and are serious bang for the buck.

...and likely well before you get your new 9800GTX+ (which is not as good of a card.)...

How did ATI not get better after the acquisition? The current 4xxx series is DOMINATING nVidia... Epic /fail.

Fanboyism or trolling?
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Postby Urmel » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:30 pm

Ed wrote:
avanderveen wrote:Also, another note: Catalyst 8.9 is out now, and it should handle OpenGL fine as far as I know.

No ATi driver has ever handled OpenGL properly.


"as far as I know" may be understood as a rethorical version of "I really don't know" in that case. Obviously this guy hasn't run Nexuiz with this driver yet (well, I'm rather sure he has never played Nexuiz at all :lol: ).

I refuse to spend 150 euros for a HD4850 just for a testing purpose, but I'm about to get myself a HD4670 which should be available soon, so I'm gonna find out how fine the windows driver handle openGL (=! D3D btw).

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Postby Blµb » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:55 pm

Even if the hardware WAS good... it's of no USE when there's no working driver...
Hey, it's ATI... what more do you need to know to NOT buy such a thing?
I had an ATI card ONCE... because people told me their cards were "already" better than nVidias... (the radeon 9700 pro times....) and they sucked back then, and it didn't work for *months*...

I guess the situation will never change
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Postby SavageX » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:03 am

I have a Radeon 3850 and I'm surprised the 4850 doesn't work properly. While I had/have a few 2D related problems on Linux (well, after all it's still fglrx, right?) I never had any serious problems with OpenGL. On Windows everything was smooth for me, so I wonder how they could have screwed up support for the 4850, which should only need minor changes to the driver for support.
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Postby Barfly » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:02 pm

avanderveen wrote:What the fuck? How did ATI not get better after the acquisition? The current 4xxx series is DOMINATING nVidia... Epic /fail.


From todays news..AP report
The end of June showed AMD holding about $1.6 billion in cash while carrying $5.3 billion in debt.

We need competition to keep prices down, but lets face it, the AMD CPU market took a dive when they bought ATI, Intel simply has a better product now and ya gotta be a nutcase if ya think Nvidia doesn't have a better lineup of cards, plus i can just plug it into a Linux box and it just works.


This guy is a fanboy, unlikely he will retort.
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Postby SavageX » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:50 am

Well, Nvidia currently indeed is in a difficult position as ATI's offerings currently indeed offer more bang for the buck at nearly every pricepoint. The Radeon 4xxx series is just really fine hardware, but that doesn't necessarily mean the drivers are just as fine for all setups. I don't regret my purchase of a 3850, but I can clearly see that e.g. Nvidia's Linux drivers are still more robust.
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