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Nex 2.0 hangs and stuff

Postby R4ND0M » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:20 am

hi, im 'playing' nexuiz since vers. 1.1, 1.2 I do not remember exactly.
now I downloaded the new version and it runs worse here on my pc (xp 2400+, w2k, 9600pro 256mb, 768mb RAM)
Not alone that my framerate dropped extremly compared to the old versions, even with ALL effects disabled + the low.cfg settings, Nexuiz now hangs randomly (sometimes for a minute, sometimes I have to kill the pc with the reset-button) Alt+Tab or CTRL+Esc dont work either in such a situation. I tried both versions-sdl-version is even worse here-Unfortunatly it happens quite often, sometimes at the first match, sometimes I can play 1 or 2 matches before it hangs for an unknown reason. a sound (like the one by grabbing a weapon) is repeated all the time when this happens.....
And no, I don't expect to get any help here and I don't want to hear "ati sucks - nvidia rules" or "no problems here on my linux-system"-stories.
just wanted to say that I'm quite disappointed about how it evolved. I can't play anymore like this, its 2 annoying.

thanks for your time :wink: and hf anyway!
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Postby esteel » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:52 am

Well i'm sorry but what kind of answer to you expect from "i do not expect to get help".. If you followed this and the first forum you should know everyone here is trying to help each other but as noone here is near your PC most things are only speculation and ideas. And well yeah its also hard to think of some solutions if everything is working fine on ones own PC. Though it would be interesting to know if you changed something besides installing Nexuiz 2.0. Guess you do not want to hear but it should run as fine as 1.5 or 1.2.1 :). Do you still have the older version installed? Does it still run without problems? Have you overwritten your old installation or have you used an other folder?

Could you please run Nexuiz with the startup option -condebug? That should produce a log file Nexuiz/data/qconsole.log and post this log file here? Maybe there is an error message or something. Your description is very much like "my car does not start" and i think no mechanic will be able to help you with that :)

Some other (general) things include watching the computers temperature. Its now getting very warm in most regions so this might be too much for some PC..
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Postby tChr » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:07 am

esteel wrote:Maybe there is an error message or something. Your description is very much like "my car does not start" and i think no mechanic will be able to help you with that :)

Yes he would... _if_ you brought the car :)

anyways. You are of cource running nexuiz-sdl.exe, not nexuiz.exe? try both. Overall I've experienced that 2.0 runs better on low settings than 1.5 did.
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Postby esteel » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:15 am

tChr wrote:Yes he would... _if_ you brought the car :)

Hehe, right but he did not bring his PC :)
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Postby R4ND0M » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:40 pm

Sorry if the "I do not expect to get help" did sound a bit weird, its just the truth. It's not that I think ppl in here aren't helpful or such a thing. I just don't think the problems I have can be solved with the usual suggestions. I've read them all, I'm following this board and also followed the old one. And yep, I'm aware of the fact that none of the forum users is sitting in front of my pc and therefor can't help much. I can't provide much more infos than I already did. I still have the nex 1.2 and 1.5 here on my pc, yep and the 1.5 is still running without problems. I did test that last night after a usual 2.0 crash. Sad thing is that one isn't able to use the "old" version on the new servers and to find populated 1.5 servers is quite hard, as it is to find populated nex servers in general (with reasonable pings). I didn't change anything on my pc before and after I installed nex 2.0.
I'm going to try the -condebug thing, but I doubt that it will help much if I have to reset my pc to be able to use it again.

It might be a heat problem, but then I wonder why it doesnt occur in other games that I'm playing (doom3, hl2, tremulous, ut, (nex 1.5)), my proz temperature is in his usual state around 56°C, can't say anything about the one from my gfx card, since it doesn't have sensors.

I didn't want to complain at all about the new nexuiz build , just wanted to say that not all is that great as most of the people here seem to like it to be.

Maybe,
-if you use linux,
-got a 4ghz pc 2gigs of ram and a nvidia card
-you don't care to play other games (that exists only in the windows world) and therefor did spend all your money to build your pc around this game)

you don't notice any bad things.

But I can assure you that, on my machine, the new version seems much more buggy than the old one.

It starts with being unable to minimize it, cause it comes back with a black screen only,
( And no, that isn't cause of poor memory management of winnt systems with memory below 1gig as urmel stated in another post. Sorry, but its kinda absurd, to blame the os for that. the poor memory management is to search @ the applications side itself, since these probs doesn't occur with commercial games which are using much more memory than nex (also Nexuiz 1.5 didnt got these probs at all))

and ends with crashes that I never had before with any other nexuiz version.

I really like the nexuiz gameplay and I think vermeulen did a great job developing it. No doubt there, but buying another pc or gfx card just to be able to run nexuiz is just a bit too much for me :roll:.

I will try to get a logfile anyhow..

@tChr: I tried both versions, not only the sdl-version as I stated already in my first post.

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Postby tChr » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:34 am

R4ND0M wrote:( And no, that isn't cause of poor memory management of winnt systems with memory below 1gig as urmel stated in another post. Sorry, but its kinda absurd, to blame the os for that. the poor memory management is to search @ the applications side itself, since these probs doesn't occur with commercial games which are using much more memory than nex (also Nexuiz 1.5 didnt got these probs at all))

I just have to answer that winnts mem management is kinda crappy, as it allows uses-space programs (if ther eis such a thing in WIN) far too much control...

However, My computer is not at all made for gaming, I just DLed nexuizs to test the 3D of my card once, and I've been playing since. I havent even ever upgraded my drivers since i first installed the PC. I'm also runnin XPsp2.

Good luyck with your problems. If you tell us where in the wold you are, maybe someone skilled will stop by one happy day? :D
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Postby R4ND0M » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:18 am

I'm programming the windows api for some years and memory management is incumbent upon the programmer there. If one simply doesn't care, well, then such things might happen....

I just played nex 2.0 for some hours, I recompiled the source myself and it didn't crash. Strange thing, but actually I'm quite happy now :D

Hopefully it will stay like that from now on. I could still deserve some more frames, but it was playable at least.


cheers

im still using the -condebug param, if a crash occurs again I'm gonna paste it if possible.
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Postby divVerent » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:38 am

R4ND0M wrote:I'm programming the windows api for some years and memory management is incumbent upon the programmer there. If one simply doesn't care, well, then such things might happen....

I just played nex 2.0 for some hours, I recompiled the source myself and it didn't crash. Strange thing, but actually I'm quite happy now :D


In case of the SDL build this can very well be true - 2.0 was released with an outdated libSDL because the current one has problems on non-US keyboards and a patch has yet to come (well, it IS in svn, but using an inofficially patched SDL isn't really a good idea either I think).

In case of the WGL build - this might actually be a problem with our build approach. We build automatically using mingw32, what did you use? Is it possible to trigger batch builds via network when using your build environment? It might help if you describe your exact build environment (compiler, DirectX header file version).

IF you get a crash on Windows, you probably get that problem report window. It might be a good idea to quote the exact error message with the register values, stack dump and the bytes around CS:EIP (you can display them from that dialog).
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again

You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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Postby R4ND0M » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:16 am

@divVerent:

I tried to compile with mingw/gcc using the dev-project files but got lots of linker errors. I managed to reduce them to a single warning -> "Warning: .drectve `/DEFAULTLIB:"uuid.lib" /DEFAULTLIB:"uuid.lib" ' unrecognized" but not further, so I tried the vc++ project, using vc++ toolkit 2003 along with linking the dinput.lib + dxguid.lib from the directx9 sdk which finally compiled. I didn't try to the sdl-version yet.
what do you mean with trigger batch?
I didnt get an error message with a stack dump, I did only see the error window when using nexuiz-sdl.exe and then there was only a message that nex-sdl created a failure and was closed. I was unable to locate a logfile with further infos, maybe this service isn't activated here.
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Postby divVerent » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:16 pm

in fact, Windows XP is able to display a problem report like we want it:

in the "send problem report" dialog, there is a blue link. Click it. In the then appearing dialog, there are two blue links. Click the first one. This is what we want.

Only problem: that dialog item is disabled and not just read only, meaning that it's impossible to copypaste from there. Windows sucks - and this really shows it. To get useful information, you have to enter control panel, then administration, then event log, then look in the application event log for DrWatson reports about Nexuiz. Click the copy button in that dialog and post the whole report somewhere. You should decode it to something readable first, this can be done in vim+perl like this:

:%!perl -pe '/: (..) .. (..) .. (..) .. (..)/ and $_ = join "", map chr, hex$1, hex$2, hex$3, hex$4'

If you can't, send the full report to me as private message and I will decode it.
1. Open Notepad
2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
3. Save
4. Open the file in Notepad again

You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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