Windows XP boots on Intel macs!

[a thing]

Don't forget it being proprietary.

[obi_wan]

Working with a full-non-proprietary software chain... mouahaha ...
It's a beautiful dream. But welcome into the real world, man, there are a lotta things that you can't do with a non-proprietary solution.
Most of professional softwares are proprietary solutions, and often there is no linux version.

didn't say that the mac has no defaults... it has
- for sure it's not the cheapiest computer you can find (huh )
- no games... (only the big hits, and 6 months later...)
- so much easy that basical windows users are disappointed when they want to uninstall an application (windows perverted them... they should simply try to put it to the trash what seam to be logical, after all )

[:)]

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

[tChr]

First:

I dont understand why this is _anything_ at all to talk abuot. Any OS shuold be able to boot on virtually any hardware without problems.

Second:



:D:D

[obi_wan]

I dont understand why this is _anything_ at all to talk abuot.

When there was motorola or IBM cpu in the macs, that wasn't possible to boot on windows (RISC cpu architecture // against x86 CISC architecture).
And we have to talk about it because all those people who didn't buy a mac because of the lack of games will be able to work with macosx... and play with windows

Any OS shuold be able to boot on virtually any hardware without problems.

the problem wasn't to run windows on intel-macintosh hardware, it was the EFI used in the mac motherboard (instead of the past-century BIOS )


Now, with bootcamp (betaTest), apple provides an easy solution for dual-booting intel-macs.



For the second point, i agree with you A macintosh running Windows isn't a macintosh ( )

[divVerent]

For "non-geeks users", Mac os X is really easier to use than linux, whatever you can say.

In fact it is.

[qote]- xcode

Sorry, but that just plain sucks. It might be the only usable IDE for Objective C and Cocoa, so for OS X development, it probably IS the best one. But why did Apple choose to use this "language"?

- X11 environment

Haha. Can't run fullscreen apps (e.g. games) unless X11 runs completely in full screen - but then you can't work with Cocoa apps at the same time. Plus Apple's X server is slow, and X.org's server for OS X is buggy. Not yet, perhaps at a later time.

... and you don't need to install anything, everything's inside osx.

You mean like virtual desktops (Desktop Manager), working Alt-Tabbing (Witch), text editor (BBEdit), terminal application that doesn't suck and passes through function keys and Alt combinations (none found yet except X11 apps)?

Plus, I have to say OS X's window manager just plain sucks. It really looks nice, and better than most Windows or Linux WMs. But it can't even maximize a window, Alt-dragging, resize windows at another corner than the bottom right (for example if your window is already at the bottom right and you want to make it larger - on typical Linux GUIs, you alt-resize the window (alt and hold middle or right mouse button and drag, works with most X11 WMs), and on Windows you can at least drag the top left corner. Plus it doesn't have focus follows mouse, meaning you have to put a window to the front to be able to type in it. I often keep around the IRC client in a background window, leaving only the last two or three lines uncluttered, and can just move the mouse there and type. Don't need to hide the other windows for that.

Man, I'm using computers 14 hours a day to create graphics & videos and sometimes to code... I'm using the 3 systems(XP, mandriva & kubuntu, osX tiger) , and mac os x is for sure the best one.

OS X is nice for people who would normally use Windows. It's superior in most respects, and of course has the better eye candy
Unfortunately most games don't run there, otherwise Windows would probably be dead as of now.

But its window management just isn't for power users.

- you can play with windows (there are no more games under linux than under macos i think...)

If you take the hassle of manually compiling X11 games, that's right. Unfortunately that isn't easy on OS X - you have to first install fink and then somehow get fink and Apple's X11 libraries together. Once done, that works - at least for me it did. SDL games can be made working easier, SDL supports OS X natively without X11.

[tChr]

The discussion is futile. I dont like wimp enviroments because they hold me back, but for "regular users" i think my "command-line only X" setup is pretty unusable. It all depends on your POV.

[obi_wan]

It all depends on your POV.

Yeah you're right ... but you know that i have "lithium lick"

Reading divVerent i think he is more "power-user" than me... And he really tried a mac (many people that don't like it didn't even tried it), so his opinion is really interesting.