Say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[7echno7im]

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[tChr]

It's not even worth the keystrokes. Only time will tell. We shall see what happens. 94% of the market share is pretty hard to argue with.

mmh.. exactly the expected reply, thank you for proving all my points If i seem particulary harsh with MS its because no other causes my life more extra work and headaches than their implemetations and programs.

[7echno7im]

I am not saying anyone is right, I am giving up. You guys' minds are set. The original post was about signing a petition not to allow MS to publish their OOXML as a standard, not MS' business practices thru the times. I asked a few questions (with a little spin I admit) as to why not sign it for the sake of OOXML.

I simply think that MS has provided my company (2600 Widnows PCs, 560 Widnows notebooks, 280 Windows servers) with an excellent centrally managed soltuion (Active Directory/Group Policy, SMS, Exchange, OWA, Project Server, RIS, WSUS, SQL, DNS, DHCP, WINS, etc...)

P.S. I understand what a good and bad solution is. We didn't base our business model on and existing product, thus not making it a solution at all.

[esteel]

94% of the market share is pretty hard to argue with.

I do not care if its hard to argue with.. its worth changing!

But honestly your last post sounds like you blindly trust MS just because you got a few 'working' products from them.. Thats a bit over the edge if you ask me. Fine that you seem to be able to work with their products, many think they just produce crap and a monopoly does not mean the market leader is perfect or right with everything.

[tChr]

I am not saying anyone is right, I am giving up. You guys' minds are set. The original post was about signing a petition not to allow MS to publish their OOXML as a standard, not MS' business practices thru the times. I asked a few questions (with a little spin I admit) as to why not sign it for the sake of OOXML.

THey are not trying to publish it, they are trying to force it to replace the ODF standard (even with the same ISO number) this is what the petition is about. (also including portions that might be impossible to use without breaking MS patents, wich the current standrad has no issues with)

I simply think that MS has provided my company (2600 Widnows PCs, 560 Widnows notebooks, 280 Windows servers) with an excellent centrally managed soltuion (Active Directory/Group Policy, SMS, Exchange, OWA, Project Server, RIS, WSUS, SQL, DNS, DHCP, WINS, etc...)

This is true. MS deserves due credit for the effort put into these parts of their products, however the underlying techincal architecture remains the problem.

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ActiveDirectory is btw a badly adapted, and perverted LDAP system that could have worked with most authentications systems in existance (created before and avter AD) but it doesnt, it might seem that this is done on purpose.. these ar the kinds of things tha keeps people like us from liking MS, its not their lack of effort into trying to achieve connectivity, its their blatant sabotage of it that is annoying.

[7echno7im]

Few working problems? heh. I wouldn't promote something if it was a management nightmare, that's my job ya know. If you ever support thousands of systems in a corporate critical environment, you may appreciate MS a little more. Maybe that's our differece. Centrally managing 1000's of machines.

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Few working problems? heh. I wouldn't promote something if it was a management nightmare, that's my job ya know. If you ever support thousands of systems in a corporate critical environment, you may appreciate MS a little more. Maybe that's our differece. Centrally managing 1000's of machines.

Indeed, Windows makes my job of centrally managing a large botnet very easy.

[7echno7im]

sounds like a bad AV solution then. I can suggest some.

[esteel]

maybe you should first get a 'joke-recognizing update'..

[7echno7im]

I understood the joke bud. I was just answering with a real answer since his provided no value to this topic of conversation.