The March Announcement is about

[tChr]

Communication issues aside, there is one thing i find truly awesome, ant that is a GPL based project making it into the ultra-commercial world of consoles.

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Communication issues aside, there is one thing i find truly awesome, ant that is a GPL based project making it into the ultra-commercial world of consoles.

Except that it's been released under another license?

[Lee_Stricklin]

Im not at all amused by this. That someone can take other ppls work, work that was intended to be free, repackage it and sell it for their own profit without even so much as a pre-notice to the ppl that spent years contributing to the "donor project" seriously pisses me off. Im uncertain if ill continue to develop for this project, im a bit to enraged to think straight atm. This whole thing just stinks of disrespect to the current developers and community of Nexuiz. I doubt its even fully legal since none of the other contribs i talked to where asked or notified abt this.

I just wanted to say that I do owe you an apology for this, since I think it would have been better to let you and a few other developers know about this ahead of time. I did sign an NDA so I didn't want to release any information I wasn't supposed to, but definitely it would have been beneficial to let you and other developers know so this didn't come as a surprize.

I don't understand why a fan of Nexuiz would be upset with this change though, this does not affect the current GPL Nexuiz and would just give it more exposure, and give a different take on a game you like. The developers at Illfonic truly do love the game, that’s the reason they choose to port it over many other online games like Nexuiz, they do not plan to 'replace' the current Nexuiz but expand upon it and bring it to a new audience. When the chance for this came up I wanted to do everything I could to make it happen, because I do really like what Illfonic is doing with the project and not only is it a good chance for Nexuiz to see a new audience, but honestly it's also a good chance to get the company 'Alientrap' more exposure for future projects.
I think some developers from Illfonic (which is a small team like Alientrap, with a few Quake community developers on it) will start posting on the forums soon.

The problem is that Quake's source code was released under GPL as was EVERYTHING in Nexuiz. While technically you can sell GPL software, you have to make sure everything still complies with that license and stay free and and open to modified/improved upon. IF the console version can have everything free and open just like what is stated in the GPL, then I'm all for a console release, hell I'd even pre-order it. Perhaps div0 can add to this. What really sucks is that I love the art style and the game looks plain bad ass, but like I said anybody that has in the littlest way contributed to this project, just got robbed.

[Lee_Stricklin]

I didn't have time to go into detail on the maps I saw in the screenshots earlier because I was late for work. Anyway...

What the screenies look like to me:

1 Can't tell
2 Most likely an original map, though it has some resemblance to Basement
3 Can't tell
4 Ruiner
5 Blood Prison?
6 Strength
7 Sky Way

I'll post some comparison shots later if your still not convinced. God the room is fucking spinning right now. Think I need to lye down.

[C.Brutail]

I just wanted to say that I do owe you an apology for this...

I bet you do owe! You could have saved us and yourself some pretty hard feelings if you'd make an announce post about the whole thing asap the Illfonic site came online!

[divVerent]

I don't understand why a fan of Nexuiz would be upset with this change though, this does not affect the current GPL Nexuiz and would just give it more exposure, and give a different take on a game you like. The developers at Illfonic truly do love the game, that’s the reason they choose to port it over many other online games like Nexuiz, they do not plan to 'replace' the current Nexuiz but expand upon it and bring it to a new audience. When the chance for this came up I wanted to do everything I could to make it happen, because I do really like what Illfonic is doing with the project and not only is it a good chance for Nexuiz to see a new audience, but honestly it's also a good chance to get the company 'Alientrap' more exposure for future projects.
I think some developers from Illfonic (which is a small team like Alientrap, with a few Quake community developers on it) will start posting on the forums soon.

One question is left open, namely, selling out the name. HOW do you think someone looking for our "Nexuiz" game will actually find it now? Google for "Nexuiz" will only find Illfonic results on the first page once their marketing department finished their job. nexuiz.com is gone (apart from a tiny link to our project that sure won't even stay for long). nexuiz.org, the next best alternative, is owned by a domain squatter.

So how can we possibly gain in popularity from this? We'll get drowned out by Illfonic's use of the name.

Our best choice probably is using a new name. Which sucks, as we'd ALSO forfeit all our current popularity by that.

[halogene]

I just wanted to say that I do owe you an apology for this, since I think it would have been better to let you and a few other developers know about this ahead of time. I did sign an NDA so I didn't want to release any information I wasn't supposed to, but definitely it would have been beneficial to let you and other developers know so this didn't come as a surprize.

I think you are right. Signing an NDA (== Non Disclosure AGREEMENT) indeed includes that you agreed to keep this information to yourself until it is too late to properly react to it. I find it very obvious that selling the name to a company will offend many developers and contributors to this project. Think about investing your spare time into something you love and then someone grabs that and sells it, with the future of your beloved project uncertain. Apologizing for this kind of procedure is appropriate, I think. But is it sufficient?

I also am a bit surprised, that your explanation comes two days after the website went online. If you did want to let the developers know, you also could have informed them right away when the website went online, not two days after emotions ran berserk in this community.

I was waiting for the "official" explanation of all this, but I really hoped it would be convincing in any way. Which it isn't, at least to me. It might have been, if at least something would flow back from this illfonic project to Nexuiz, be it money or content, but this will obviously not be the case. Like others already stated, I, too, fail to see the popularity benefit Illfonic-Nexuiz will provide to Nexuiz (come on, that tiny link down there? You must be kidding).

I am not in the position to be offended myself, since I did not (yet) contribute to this project other than recruiting/training noobs and helping out with information. However, I feel offended all the same on part of the developers and contributors that something like this is being done to them.

[cortez]

I don't understand why a fan of Nexuiz would be upset with this change though, this does not affect the current GPL Nexuiz and would just give it more exposure, and give a different take on a game you like.

When i began to play nexuiz it was a community game, and till now it was a community game. Everyone who could supported it when he wanted, thats why it developed in so many directions. I guess thats what everyone like about the game. You can combine features you wanted, make unique that way.

The fact that even the creator (who was absent for like 4 years ) of nexuiz ingores the community and make dessisons, which will affect everyone is just a disrespect for anyone who supported this game for years. For my side i dont know, if support want to nexuiz anymore. I did it, because PC also can be non- comercial.

but honestly it's also a good chance to get the company 'Alientrap' more exposure for future projects.

I guess you are focused on your own Capsized Project, which will get moe publicity for sure.

I think some developers from Illfonic (which is a small team like Alientrap, with a few Quake community developers on it) will start posting on the forums soon.

I dont think they arent very welcome here, since what happend

[MirceaKitsune]

nexuiz.org, the next best alternative, is owned by a domain squatter.

Can't we buy it from them, in its case? Would be a nice way of using the money made off this deal for the real Nexuiz (unless someone using that domain name for basically nothing needs it so badly they can't give it away).

[Lee_Stricklin]

I think I might start a class-action lawsuit to get the source to this. The ARE violating the GPL with this.