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[Lee_Stricklin]

This is id software's licensing link. LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

licensing@idsoftware.com

[MirceaKitsune]

This is id software's licensing link. LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

licensing@idsoftware.com

That is worth a try (although I don't wish to see the new project harmed either) but someone mentioned that Illfonic already spoke to ID software and solved things with them

[divVerent]

You can try, but I can tell you in advance that it *most likely* is not a GPL violation, EVEN though the authors of some code included had not been asked and thus some parts ARE under the GPL.

Executables link to libraries using a function table and library name table. This is commonly accepted as "dynamic linking" to one whole and requires the GPL to apply to both parts, or none.

However, is e.g. setmodel()ing a model with hardcoded file name linking too? One could claim that this is also just like loading a function from a library, as the model is "linked" to (hardcoded file name) and provides an "interface" (how it looks, size of the bbox).

What about, e.g., calling QC functions from other files? .bsp files contain a section that calls functions of the QC code in a defined sequence. Isn't that like linking to a library too?

And of course, what about selling a CD with "one product". They do not sell "a game engine and various singular files for it". They sell ONE GAME on their disc. Thus, the whole game (the disc) should be able to be seen as a derived work of any of the source components.

None of the legal questions here have been decided in any court yet. The law and the GPL are somewhat unclear about this, and common interpretations differ. Bringing that to court would result in the answer to a long open question being revealed. However, it would be a very dangerous case, as the legal situation is quite unclear. Also, it won't help Nexuiz for sure.

[azultain]

oh if i understand, they have 2 nexuiz!

[MirceaKitsune]

Ok, I've been thinking and I have an idea. Would like to know what others think in case this is achievable (with a small effort from Illfonic's side).

In case we won't convince Illfonic to change their minds and the new game's name will remain Nexuiz. Maybe we can go the other way around, and rather than trying to separate the two games, make them a whole. The new Nexuiz is supposed to be for XBox / Playstation only, right? So if Illfonic promises (not only with words!) that their game will never be released for PC, then theirs can officially be the Nexuiz version for consoles while ours the Nexuiz version for PC, therefore keeping a single Nexuiz and drawing a clear line between the two. Of course this wouldn't fix anything... just thinking what the best thing to do at this moment would be.

Of course the differences would need to remain clear (that there are different teams working on each project and one is commercial while the other is not). If Illfonic are not the people we thought they are, they can turn nexuiz.com into an introduction page containing just two large logos. One would be called "Nexuiz for XBox / PS3 (or console) by Illfonic" and the other "Nexuiz for PC (GPL or other optional details here) by Alientrap", each leading to its page. That way the confusion would be cleared for BOTH projects, and BOTH would benefit from this. Anyone accessing nexuiz.com would find exactly what they're looking for, and Nexuiz would be kept whole under reasonable and clear conditions.

[Lee_Stricklin]

Ok, I've been thinking and I have an idea. Would like to know what others think in case this is achievable (with a small effort from Illfonic's side).

In case we won't convince Illfonic to change their minds and the new game's name will remain Nexuiz. Maybe we can go the other way around, and rather than trying to separate the two games, make them a whole. The new Nexuiz is supposed to be for XBox / Playstation only, right? So if Illfonic promises (not only with words!) that their game will never be released for PC, then theirs can officially be the Nexuiz version for consoles while ours the Nexuiz version for PC, therefore keeping a single Nexuiz and drawing a clear line between the two. Of course this wouldn't fix anything... just thinking what the best thing to do at this moment would be.

Of course the differences would need to remain clear (that there are different teams working on each project and one is commercial while the other is not). If Illfonic are not the people we thought they are, they can turn nexuiz.com into an introduction page containing just two large logos. One would be called "Nexuiz for XBox / PS3 (or console) by Illfonic" and the other "Nexuiz for PC (GPL or other optional details here) by Alientrap", each leading to its page. That way the confusion would be cleared for BOTH projects, and BOTH would benefit from this. Anyone accessing nexuiz.com would find exactly what they're looking for, and Nexuiz would be kept whole under reasonable and clear conditions.

I like that idea. I would still like to see the code opened, but I like the idea of two side-by-side Nexuiz. The console and PC versions have their own look to them with the two easily taking place in different time periods. I think the console Nexuiz could be how it all began while the PC Nexuiz takes place further into the future.

[halogene]

Sounds like the most reasonable thing to do, given the present circumstances.

I wonder when Illfonic guys will appear here on the forums as they promised to. If we cannot discuss this with them, such ideas are worthless.

[Aleator]

Ok, I've been thinking and I have an idea. Would like to know what others think in case this is achievable (with a small effort from Illfonic's side).

In case we won't convince Illfonic to change their minds and the new game's name will remain Nexuiz. Maybe we can go the other way around, and rather than trying to separate the two games, make them a whole. The new Nexuiz is supposed to be for XBox / Playstation only, right? So if Illfonic promises (not only with words!) that their game will never be released for PC, then theirs can officially be the Nexuiz version for consoles while ours the Nexuiz version for PC, therefore keeping a single Nexuiz and drawing a clear line between the two. Of course this wouldn't fix anything... just thinking what the best thing to do at this moment would be.

Of course the differences would need to remain clear (that there are different teams working on each project and one is commercial while the other is not). If Illfonic are not the people we thought they are, they can turn nexuiz.com into an introduction page containing just two large logos. One would be called "Nexuiz for XBox / PS3 (or console) by Illfonic" and the other "Nexuiz for PC (GPL or other optional details here) by Alientrap", each leading to its page. That way the confusion would be cleared for BOTH projects, and BOTH would benefit from this. Anyone accessing nexuiz.com would find exactly what they're looking for, and Nexuiz would be kept whole under reasonable and clear conditions.

That is a good idea, but do you think they'll accept it?

I'm pessimistic about this, so I'll stop here.

[Silica Gel: Do Not Eat]

My first feeling on this was of disappointment.
I do not own a modern gaming console and have no interest in playing a FPS on a console. I was hoping for something exciting and fresh for Nexuiz(GPL)

My second feeling on this was sadness
I am just some idiot who posts on the forums and plays Nexuiz once in a while. Yet , I found out about this the same time as most of the programmers and contributors. These people have given countless hours to the Nexuiz community. Their time is a gift to all of us in this community and they deserved better.

My third feeling was anger
Nexuiz is not just a name. Nexuiz is our community .
To sell the name and domain is a blow to our community.

[azultain]

this is true