Official thread re: collaboration of a official statement!

[paperclips]

I must say first of all I like your version Halogene. Yes, IMHO the statement should be short, really square, adequate description of the events that have taken place.
Second I would like to say:

1: 'Shit' is not being sent anywhere. The collaboration effort is ATM only a "safety", "putting pressure on both sides -function" until something or the LACK of something happens.
Think of it as the communitys (Nexuiz) vs commercial (Non-Free-Nexuiz-Console) ''information-cold war''. The "nukes" are ready.
(IF it were to, then its a leak and this is not good for any part involved. but thanks to number 2, we are safe.)

2: If signatures is not present both here in this thread AND on the statement, then a signature is not valid. This means, security for all involved.
3: People saved revisions all through the night (from my perspective) it seemed!
Big Thanks to: Cribozai, stingray300k, Halogene, unnamed (!?), eL_Bart0, unnamed(!?), FruitieX, AnnKittyKat, unnamed(!?), JulianaStein
These have saved revisions so its easy to restore IF a retard would strike.

[halogene]

thanks - I will continue to work on the statement during the day, however I can't promise any fixed time frames when I will be available for collaboration. I almost don't have any spare time to spare, sadly...

[halogene]

Small update for everyone who doesn't care to read all that text:

I think the work on the document is really productive. Many people contributed to the text already and it shows again how civilized and well-mannered this community is. I think we will be able to finalize this pretty soon. Thanks already to all who contributed.

We would be happy to receive a bit more feedback from the main developers/contributors, though, since this document is intended to represent also their position. It would be cool to know what they think about the general procedure of putting down such a community statement and any feedback would certainly influence the outcome of the document.

[Xandria]

I only see this as a positive move for all users of open source games and developers in the future proving that open source doesn't have to mean you can't make a business out of it. bah bah bah free free free. "Unfortunately people in this world need to earn money"

Maybe I am missing something. Why is everyone so annoyed about a game coming out with the same name? That's like saying no one should make a song called Yesterday ever again because The Beatles already did it.

Explain to me how does it effect you? Do you go and riot if someone in school has the same name as you?

This is out of control, incorrect and totally pointless. You get your game, others get a new one. it has the same name, so what?

[Im Namen der Tunichtguten]

Explain to me how does it effect you? Do you go and riot if someone in school has the same name as you?

This is out of control, incorrect and totally pointless. You get your game, others get a new one. it has the same name, so what?

[ ] You have read and understood the open letter (or at least tried to)
[ ] You actually spent some time to understand the whole situation
[ ] You actually know what you are talking about

Sorry, i can't find any more suiting words for your posting. Maybe you should first read the "official statements" of Vermeulen and Illfonics. You could find them on this board ... if you actually do care at all.

To all the contributors and the people who actually DO care and know about what's going on: I'm happy to see how you ALL helped to improve this OpenLetter, i started. It's really great to see what we can establish together. Although of course there are a lots of people who don't agree with us, i guess we made our points clear enough so everyone should be able to understand what's going on, if he/she really likes to. I would like to give this thingy another 24 hours to come up with a first "final version" of the letter. What do you think? Please also comment on the fact, if you see any necessity for the openLetter to be signed again by everyone in the final version.

To everyone at Illfonics: I want to emphasize on the point that this has not been sent anywhere, YET. We see this letter as a kind of last resort. We are not the ones who don't want to cooperate in any way. We actually try to achieve a peacefull arrangment with you. If you don't want to listen to us at all and keep ignoring all our suggestions, we may or may NOT use this OpenLetter to take this case up to the next level. You don't want that, and we don't wont it either. So why don't you try find a proper solution TOGETHER with us instead of working against us? You won't find many friends here if you try to silent us, take that as granted. Nexuiz is so much more than only Alientrap and i'm kinda sad you seem to have not noticed this yet.

Disclaimer: Everything represented in here is my personal opinion, but as far as i know this seems to be the consensus amongst the signers of the OpenLetter for the moment.

Over and out for now

-- eL_Bart0

[RoKenn]

Please also comment on the fact, if you see any necessity for the openLetter to be signed again by everyone in the final version.

Not only that, please allow enough time for everyone to check and sign after creating the final version.
Some people might need a day until they notice, and some clans and communities might have to make up their mind(s).

[paperclips]

.... I would like to give this thingy another 24 hours to come up with a first "final version" of the letter. .... We see this letter as a kind of last resort. ... Nexuiz is so much more than only Alientrap and i'm kinda sad you seem to have not noticed this yet. ... Disclaimer: Everything represented in here is my personal opinion, but as far as i know this seems to be the consensus amongst the signers of the OpenLetter for the moment. ... -- eL_Bart0

It will take way longer than 24h to get everyone to at least know about this. I for one will NOT put a timelimit here. IF this letter would be sent, I will wash my hands since I have NOT signed of the statement in this thread.

Further more, I was annoyed by the time I got to the disclaimer point and good that you pointed out that it is your view on things. I do not share that view, I haven't even started to look at it. But I can not stress this enough, this collaboration was in my mind never a means of THREAT, it was a means for the community so that there was a feeling of "yes things are being dealt with and I can lend a hand as well" instead of a hasty person jump the gun and do _something_ really stupid. So that people could be creative and there was a way easily available way to put this energy into something. THAT is the sole reason I posted the link on IRC so that this collaboration was even possible. Energy have to go somewhere, otherwise things tend to blow up.

The safety for things to not blow up, is the number two and it takes a hell of a pull to fire that trigger.

[halogene]

Not only that, please allow enough time for everyone to check and sign after creating the final version.
Some people might need a day until they notice, and some clans and communities might have to make up their mind(s).

Rest assured, as far as I am concerned this letter is going no where before it has been posted in this forum and received acceptance from a significant amount of the community. Though having edited/created a lot of the letter's text, I myself have not yet signed it, because I don't sign documents that are not final :o)

I myself see the "letter" or whatever not as an attack towards Illfonic nor Lee Vermeulen nor Forest Hale. At least my efforts aim at not making it one. It should also not be a threat of any kind. There have been made moves which were unfortunate and which are, in my opinion, wrong but, and this is the point, easy to correct. From my point of view, the letter is intended to explain the Nexuiz community's feelings about the things that happened and why the vast majority of the Nexuiz community is offended by them. It also intends to show how both sides could benefit from each other and how a mutual benefitting solution can be achieved. The point is, that I don't think the Nexuiz community doesn't want a commercial console Nexuiz kind of game to happen, the Nexuiz community just wants to stay the Nexuiz community and not to be transformed into a weird GPL Nexuiz community or similar by other people. In any case, the least thing I would want is a personal attack on some of the people involved.

Since my spare time is very limited in general and other things in my life tend to take priority, I cannot guarantee I will be ready for a final version within the next 24 hours, but I will try to apply a finishing polish to the text that I already find very agreeable and rational as soon as possible. I vote for finalizing a draft for community forum review until end of Monday, though, in order to allow for a reasonable review of all of the editors.

Anyway, I do agree with eL_bart0 as far as I suppose if Illfonic continues to disrespect the Nexuiz community, then it probably won't make many friends within it.

[Silica Gel: Do Not Eat]

I only see this as a positive move for all users of open source games and developers in the future proving that open source doesn't have to mean you can't make a business out of it. bah bah bah free free free. "Unfortunately people in this world need to earn money"

Maybe I am missing something. Why is everyone so annoyed about a game coming out with the same name? That's like saying no one should make a song called Yesterday ever again because The Beatles already did it.

Explain to me how does it effect you? Do you go and riot if someone in school has the same name as you?

This is out of control, incorrect and totally pointless. You get your game, others get a new one. it has the same name, so what?

Very bad analogy

A better on would be : Some taking your full name (First,Last , Middle) . Moving into your house. Kicking you out of your bed, making you sleep on the floor.
Then telling you that it's a good thing and that you'll eventually benefit from it.

[RoKenn]

Some taking your full name (First,Last , Middle) . Moving into your house. Kicking you out of your bed, making you sleep on the floor.

I think you forgot the part with the word "girlfriend".