Yes, I ask all of you, NOT TO CONNECT to this server:

CTF & DOM :: New and Large Maps ((CAEth...
69.113.27.92:26000

The host is the same idiot, that stands against womens' rights, the same idiot, that got banned from our forum a couple of times.

The bastard is called MikeeUSA, and he's been around many years posting violent stuff all across the web, acording to google search

It would be a shame for the nexuiz community, to let this guy continue his rage. If it is possible, it would be cool to remove his server from the dpmaster serverlist too.

So ignore the server, and never connect to it!

No, I will of course not connect to that server.

I joined his server yesterday and saw that it was downloading das tower and wondered if it was his... then his motd had that anti-women crap, so I left some derogatory comments and quickly disconnected

Isnt that the map that look svery pretty but was deeme oooh so boring to play in these very forums?

Yep.

And I think the guy has been banned three times. You'd think he'd get the point by now.

Acctualy more like 5-6 times (yes i lost count by now..)

TIP: While playing on RBI servers, do not change your name to XSAX LTU.

Voltaire wrote:I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Even though nobody of us agrees with what MikeeUSA is saying, this does not mean he should be banned from saying it.

HOWEVER, a gaming forum is the very wrong place for that, and posting such stuff anywhere other than in the big "General Discussion" forum is of course worth a ban.

What I want to say is, you can't be supporting open source and freedom of speech and then make the master servers not show his server because of his political views.

Luckily, this is not needed - his server runs with minplayers 6, so it always SEEMS to be occupied, but runs five bots when you connect. So the server is so badly configured that people won't connect a second time to it...

divVerent wrote:Luckily, this is not needed - his server runs with minplayers 6, so it always SEEMS to be occupied, but runs five bots when you connect. So the server is so badly configured that people won't connect a second time to it...

And besides, I never see more than 6 players (all bots) on that server anyway. Today I actually saw 8 players, but it quickly changed to 6 again. No one ever connects to that server and I wonder why he have it up in the first place. Maybe someday he will get the point and take it down. But who knows...

divVerent wrote:What I want to say is, you can't be supporting open source and freedom of speech and then make the master servers not show his server because of his political views.

Freedom of speech in this point of view is bullshit. I mean, it IS important, it's basic human right, so you should always have the right to say what you think without fear, but I realy think, that if we're the very nice community, with open minded peoples and if we realy do support our thoughts about basic human freedom, in thoughts and in act, then we can't just ignore someone, who tries to break all of this. And if we have admins in charge about our servers and communiy, we can't just ignore it.
I'm not sure, I'm using the right words, or that I could tell what I realy wanted to tell with this post, but the most least we can do, is that we clearly state, that we distance ourselves from MikeUSA, and clearly state, that he is NOT part of our community.

In fact, I think he isn't part of any community, except the people, who fight against women rights.

Well, this is about what I was saying.

We DO have to distance ourselves from that.

However, banning his server from the master server... sorry, the master servers don't have terms and conditions, but actually I'd say that the fact that he runs an almost empty server with too many bots is MORE reason to block his server than what he puts in his server name.

However, I hadn't yet read his MOTD yet. Calling his server "Men's Liberty Server" alone isn't offence enough to ban it from the server lists.

However, I just read his MOTD... and THAT could now be reason enough to block the server. Note that it is propaganda and NOT constructive arguments against women's rights what comes from him.

Exactly the reason why I started the whole thread. Maybe I should have mentioned the motd in the starting comment too.

Perhaps we should let democracy work for us and let the community vote. Not necessarily as a forum poll, but that'd be one option.

And till that, perhaps we should make this thread sticky, to let all know, that we realy dislike this kind of behavior, and the whole nexuiz community distanves itself from him.

Sticky, with a more visible topic now.

+1 for the boycott! I once did try to connect but once I realised it was downloading one of his crap maps I automatically disconnected. Not having that filth filling on my computer.

Block him from the master server as he would could have a terrible impact on some new users. Not everyone who plays this game is a grown up and we don't want him spreading his message to younger players who might be more persuadable.

We should include a default MOTD 'we love our women' to educate those young minds
Or better 'we do love to our women'?

esteel wrote:We should include a default MOTD 'we love our women' to educate those young minds
Or better 'we do love to our women'?

Or we can be honest.. We do love our women.. someone longer than others XD (actually.. i dislike the phrase "our women" alltogether.). We do love women, me better than others.. there it is

But do be a lil serious.. This has always been the dilemma of tolerance. Does tolerance need to tolerate intolerance? Thats philosophy for you. But I'll say as someone smarter did hundreds of years ago. In a free society, any person can have exactly the amout of freedom tha does not affect other peoples freedom negativly.

Thus Mike, our dear sh***ead, can just shaddap.

i agree his is a problem and should be removed or restrained possibly until the nice doctors gives him his medicine

boycott vote++

I guess you alredy know my vote

A few points to make
gpl/oss is not and has nothing to do with democracy or freedom of speach. You cannot claim a right to blurp out anything you like just beacouse a forum happens to be focused on a gpl project.

usage of this forum is a privilage not a right. it is not subject to any form of democratical rulings nor does it need to regard any piticular individuals interest, request or feelings.

The forums and nexuiz master servers are the propery of the ppl who run them. If thise ppl feel like banning some piticular server, individual or some random subnets this is their chiose to make. You dont even need a note from mom.

With this said i like to ensure you that the forum staff, and alientrap team, will surely listen to your requests, ides and/or complaints just as long as you keep it civiliced and can take no for an answer.

Freedom of speech (like all freedoms) has limits.

Basically the golden rule is that you are not infringing upon other people's rights or causing harm to others.

In my opinion, this guy's comments could cause harm toward women. If I operated the Nexuiz server list, I would infom him to change his server title and message of the day or his server would be removed.

It could also present the wrong message toward female players who check out Nexuiz and go to the server at the top of the list (with 6 players) and see an anti-women message.

Just my point of view.

Dokujisan wrote:Freedom of speech (like all freedoms) has limits.

Basically the golden rule is that you are not infringing upon other people's rights or causing harm to others.

In my opinion, this guy's comments could cause harm toward women. If I operated the Nexuiz server list, I would infom him to change his server title and message of the day or his server would be removed.

It could also present the wrong message toward female players who check out Nexuiz and go to the server at the top of the list (with 6 players) and see an anti-women message.

Just my point of view.

Contacting him and trying to reason with him is proly futile, but if anyone feel they has the stamina to squabble with him, pls do =)

The bad message this person sends out to any would be female nexuizers is indeed a probem (and part of the reson he was banned from the forums). Its fairly offensive to most male ppl, i can only imagine how pissed of the lasses must get.

And besides, that has nothing to do with the game itself and is inappropriate, it's like bad ads

I'm just saying to at least let him know clearly why his server is being taken down and what he could do to have it put back on if he so desired. That would cause him to change his behavior. He can think whatever he wants, just as long as he doesn't harm anyone else. He can have his server up on the list as long as he is not using it to spread the anti-women messages. That would be fair and reasonable.

Dokujisan wrote:I'm just saying to at least let him know clearly why his server is being taken down and what he could do to have it put back on if he so desired. That would cause him to change his behavior. He can think whatever he wants, just as long as he doesn't harm anyone else. He can have his server up on the list as long as he is not using it to spread the anti-women messages. That would be fair and reasonable.

No. That would not make him chance his behaviour. Th man shows clear signs for paranoia and clinical pcychotism, and cannot be reasoned with in a normal, human matter. Ignore him. Force him underground whatever. its like arguing with a dead horse to get out of your way. The man is clearly less equipped then normal human beings, and should for his own good and the health of others be protected from his own opinions.

I am known for being pretty liberal, and also very tolerant and polite. so make a note of this posting. it is by far the harshest thing i've ever written in public, and it will probably never happen again.

I did some research on Mitch Obrian AKA mikeeusa, and I believe his current behavior comes from when he broke up with his girlfriend.
The linked IRC conversation between his contemporaries gives hints to the event of his mental mutation. (source)
This breakup has corrupted his view of male-female relationships (source)

He seems to enjoy trolling (source), and trolls through forums, mailing lists, IRC (see trolling source), and blog comments.
He usually has his blog comments deleted, although some authors leave his comments, and some even blog about his comments, which always include the story of the Irish man, a link to his page, and "Death to womens rights!"
As for Debian, mikeeusaa has been banned from lists.debian.org and bugs.debian.org, and was the first person to be banned from either (source)

As everyone knows, Mikeeusa made maps for Nexuiz, and emphasized that they were licensed under the GPL. (The pk3's on his server include 2 copies of the license per map)
He makes maps of insane geometry and texturing, and likes lens flares.
He was also ejected from making maps for the Crossfire game (source)

While I agree with what Voltaire wrote (welcome to the forums btw), freedom of speech should only apply to public institutions.
Mikeeusa is past the age of impressionable youth, and I don't anticipate him changing his behaviors without counseling, therefore anyone who wants to ban him from their web services is perfectly justified.

My anti-women's rights diatribes will be wherever I am, like it or not.

(source)

Nice bit of research. Guess it's quite easy when someone like that leaves such a trail of destruction.

What he is saying would be considered illegal in much of the civilised world. It's hate crime.

I am not sure if stating his "opinions" publicly would be illegal in most countries.

In Germany, it probably isn't, but he certainly wouldn't make friends that way. After all, he doesn't want to kill people, he wants to remove constitutional rights from people. This is impossible in any civilised country without changing the constitution, which is anything but likely to get though.

However, nobody of us has the (moral) right to prevent him from stating his views. If he "behaves", he may very well do that even in our forum - in the "General discussion" section (the top one, not the "Nexuiz - General discussion" one). However, as we easily saw, he isn't discussion in any sane way - it doesn't take long until he utters insults, which are NOT covered by free speech any more. Plus, I think propaganda (as in his MOTD) is not covered by freedom of speech.

BTW, strictly speaking, even a "serious" discussion about these topics may not be covered by freedom of speech - Art. 18 of the German constitution ("Grundgesetz") says that you can lose freedom of speech if you abuse it to fight against the free democratic basic order (which e.g. includes granting the human rights to people) - and I think mikeeusa does exactly that, because, what else is propaganda against Art. 3 GG (equality in law, especially with respect to gender, lineage, race, language, homeland, belief, religious and political views)?

Still, I'd tolerate a serious discussion about such topics - but mikeeusa apparently isn't able to. He seems to have no arguments other than "death to women's rights", which he can't back up.

I think the appropriate way to fight his propaganda would be changing the master servers to drop servers based on IP ranges and keywords in the host name. A proof of concept can be found in http://mensa.ath.cx/~polzer/temp/dpmaster-filter.patch

BTW: before anyone brings up that topic... Angela Merkel doesn't count as woman (or as Mittermeier said, "Ich will ja nicht auf der Merkel rumreiten, aber naja, wer will das schon?")