Is there any way to opt out of having your stats monitored, saved and displayed? I just found a load of stat info on me and I would prefer to have it erased.

Umm, where can you see your stats? I didnt know there were stats

http://delight.vapor.com/pstats.php?map=All&pl=esteel

You can look up just about anyone there.

There are no official stats, thus we can't delete you from any; stats are entirely something the server admin does. I removed you from the RBI server stats as good as possible, though. In the future, your nickname will get replaced by "anonymous" and anonymous players don't enter the top/bottom records category at the bottom of the stats page.

According to Google, you are on DCC's stats too - to get removed, it would be best to send DCC an email to do so. The mail address is on the bottom of DCC's websites.

If the stats tracking of the RBI server is generally unwanted, I'll tone it down to just report weapon stats, which is the main reason why it is running. As for where the RBI stats are, http://mensa.ath.cx/~polzer/nexlog/totals.html

I'd hate too see those stats go away.. i really like them. It also adds something to the general competition among players

Omg, this is amazing, I never knew there were stats.

Please keep them up

Btw there are two ways to not appear on the DCC stats pages:

1. Don't join the DCC servers.

2. Write your Nick completely in Hex code.

That's obvious, but wouldn't get rid of existing stats entries. To get rid of them, Xeno should mail DCC who put his mail address at the bottom of the page.

Right. But why should I repeart something you already posted? (now you did)...

I just want to point out that I'm not against stats in general because I realize that they can be fun/interesting... I just don't want my personal stats tracked (which also show WHEN I was on, etc) and I think that people should be made aware that they are being tracked.

Maybe there could be a way to configure a variable (clientside or serverside) so that people who want to be tracked can be, and set it to off by default.

If it is off by default, nobody will enable it and it will render some important stats useless. The RBI stats for example are our major source of information about "actual" weapon balance and we don't want to lose that.

IMHO DCC's stats are too extensive, they show when you played etc. - IMHO that should not be available to the public. In case of the RBI stats, I think I'll remove the single-match stats as I don't need them and as they could raise the same privacy issue.

If such a feature is "opt out", stats would still be "useful" but players can easily opt out of the tracking.

But actually, you're confusing two things - stats and tracking. With stats, you can't track when someone played, from which you can infer where he's from, on which days he had "special occasions" like birthdays etc. if he plays less than usual. With highscores, you still can't infer that, but you can find out who plays more and who plays less. With DCC's tracking, however, I think you can find out too much about someone. DCC should at least remove the graphs from his stats page, like the playing time of the day graph.

I have no problem with weapon stats etc... anything which doesn't identify me is fine... keeping track of when I played is insane and way over the top.

Thanks for removing them my stats on the rbi server btw.

I got a hold of Sxen and he deleted my stats, for which I'm thankful. I did get a lot of shit from him and the others on the irc channel though, so I'm going to ask...

Is it really that fucking unreasonable to not want to be tracked when playing the game?

You sound as if you have something to hide. You have strong opinion, dude.

I for my part don't care a bit if my play-stats are logged or not. I can understand the fact that people don't like to be "recorded" without noticing or without being able to control this, but since this is really such an "unimportant" statistic (compared to other statistics your ISP and many other companies such as "google" do, this gamestats recording is a JOKE compared to these, and you shouldn't be afraid of anything).

It wasn't just gamestats (which is what annoyed me)... it tracks WHEN you played, etc, not just how many frags you got,etc.

Ack, I am not sure if my RBI server stats are over the top already - but DCC's certainly are.

On the RBI stats, to prevent abuse for long-term tracking, I removed the stats for every single match and only present map totals and grand totals. Single-game stats are now only available for one week; after that they will get removed automatically.

This also has the side effect that the directory listing http://mensa.ath.cx/~polzer/nexlog/ now has a NORMAL length...

Xeno The Blind wrote:It wasn't just gamestats (which is what annoyed me)... it tracks WHEN you played, etc, not just how many frags you got,etc.

I kinda see your point. You seem to be engaged in keeping your privacy.

BUT: Xeno dude, are you really so blind that you can't see? If big brother wants to know everything about you, he has a pretty bunch of possibilities to get his informations easily. Not only big brother, also the small brothers can. It's really useless to try to hide, it won't work, as all our web traffic can be and is recorded in every detail anyway, right?

On the other hand, what gives you the idea that somebody could be that interested in you?

Maybe all those facts and the fact that we all know about the facts makes you look a little ridiculous in some people's view. So if you expect that people whose facilities you use should respect your wishes concerning privacy, you have to own them their opinion about the strangeness of your point of view.

Or just keep away then, and be assured, nobody wants you to do so.

Just because it's possible for Big Brother to track you down it doesn't mean we shall make this as easy as possible.

Tracking scores is one thing - but tracking when someone was playing is in a completely different league. Just imagine you'd be playing at work (kids, don't do this) and your boss who happens to know your nick would have that data available.

SavageX wrote:Tracking scores is one thing - but tracking when someone was playing is in a completely different league. Just imagine you'd be playing at work (kids, don't do this) and your boss who happens to know your nick would have that data available.

Well, first of all, the MOTD on the DCC servers tells you that you're tracked.

Second, my nick ain't that unique. Everybody can play with mine. Like I could play with another one's nick as well.

Last but not least you can create your nick with Hex code like I posted above. Won't be read then. Or just keep away from servers which are tracking stats.

However, if my boss would want to take a look what I'm doing (he knows btw!), he surely won't visit a stats page, he'd just easily take a look into the server logs or whatever and recognize if and how long my computer is connected to game servers, Game homepages, IRC channels. Surely very interesting to see how good/bad I play. So what are we talking about actually? This is kiddish IMO.


When the DCC team coded the stats recording and the stats pages, everybody was like all wow. So just go on bothering and it maybe won't be long until we got some servers and a great Nexuiz fan page less. Nice.

PS: no, like everybody knows I'm neither the owner of the server, nor the DCC website, nor am I the creator. But I'm amongst the majority of people who really love the DCC servers and the stats system as it is. So please: hands off!

Urmel... wrote:
Well, first of all, the MOTD on the DCC servers tells you that you're tracked.

Oh shit, I'm wrong

The MOTD so far only had a link to the server main page which in turn links to the stats. I've now hopefully made the MOTD more clear with regard to the stats tracking issue:

PLEASE NOTE: This server keeps extensive stats of all matches and players, including playing times, which are available for public viewing on
http://delight.vapor.com/ - please disconnect if this is not acceptable for you.

If anyone else wants to have their previous data erased, please drop me a PM or email.

For the "getting a lot of shit" -- I think this was a bit of a misunderstanding, for which I'm sorry. Me and several other people wanted to point out that the Nexuiz server doesn't in fact tracks identities -- it has no technical possibiliy for this, as far as I can tell -- but only nicknames, and that everyone can just login somewhere with the nick "XENO THE BLIND". In the process of this, me and other people changed their IRC nicks to variants of XenoTheBlind, and I also joined a few Nexuiz servers using the name "XENO THE BLIND" to stress this point.

I'm generally not sure about the stats now. I do see Xeno's point, esspecially when considering that he probably stumbled over them by surprise. Anonymizing or expiring them in a way that divVerent suggests is surely an option, although I was of the opinion that the DCC stats -- extensive as they are now -- were generally well received.

Sxen

gez.. if yer so fraking afraid of you boss, mom, the bugnbladder beast or whatever to find out when you playing nexuiz you most likely should not play, at least not as often. if that still not enought get a anonymouse proxy and a few alterego nics. or just some meds against paranoia..

Well its a bit offtopic but what do those two stat pages do regarding to clan tags? Would [CLAN]esteel and just esteel be different players? I like it how quake4 solved this, there are three fields, one for the name, one for a shortname (seems unnecessary?) and one for the clan tag.

no.

The DCC stats system has no intelligence regarding nicks (except removing hex codes), so "[CLAN]esteel" and "esteel" would be two different players.

Sxen

SavageX wrote:Just because it's possible for Big Brother to track you down it doesn't mean we shall make this as easy as possible.

Tracking scores is one thing - but tracking when someone was playing is in a completely different league. Just imagine you'd be playing at work (kids, don't do this) and your boss who happens to know your nick would have that data available.

If you play at work this is absolutely your fault. Nobody elses.
If there is only ONE good man at your work he will find out - if you got your nick erased or not ... every single bit that has been transmitted. Trust me, I know that, because I am one of those good men.

If you would work in the same building as I do, I would know if you did something that wasn't work related.

So the easiest way to avoid problems with your boss is to not play while working.

well, see my post on the AJAX stats in this topic because it's done

but to find a good solution for everyone:

Xeno ... please have a look at http://detailstats.nwn-server.de and tell me if this suits you.

I might be intergrating realtime player and map info into the AJAX server thing in the future....

[TSA] Psychiccyberfreak wrote:I might be intergrating realtime player and map info into the AJAX server thing in the future....

I wanted to do an AJAX server browser today but it seems AJAX or JS can't send/recieve UDP packets :/ Maybe you have some tips?