There has been a recent surge of Nexuiz players becoming interested in clans. With this is a lot of chat during games, bartering clan invites and such, and people switching their allegiances or recruiting for their own.
What are people's thoughts on this? There are a few long standing clans, such as MoN and PB and BOT, which I imagine are truly communities unto themselves. Their userbase seems to be relatively stable as well. Does creating a clan simply for the purpose of appending a tag to the front of one's name, or the prestige of membership, defeat the purpose of a clan?
The point of a clan seems (to me) to be a group of people with whom one can play with, and who have similar skill levels or common interests- in my view, this kind of behaviour depreciates the value of being in such a community.
This doesn't even take into account the irritating antics of people like "Blue Dragon," who's pestering in game is getting old, imho.
Thoughts?
Clan craziness
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I've noticed that some people just make a back up clan, they make it until they get into the clan they want to be in. I think it's stupid.
If they are serious clans they will mos probably have a site or a server, than again, they may have none (MoN at the moment). I'm trying to make sure GT doesn't turn into a take anyone clan. Or it doesn't die out. I'm working towards a well known and long lasting clan like PB and MoN.
Also, isn't funny how one person might hole a terible clan together.
I do agree, the clan's aren't real clans (temporary clans) are annoying.-
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Indeed, on ctf servers, every other second there's someone whining about wanting to join this clan or leaving that clan.
I don't see what's the point of having clans if there's no games played. What's up with that?
Maybe having a NA 2vs2 tourney soon to get the whole clan thing started? I'd be happy help set one up, I really enjoyed the 1on1 tourney.- nifrek
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nifrek wrote:Indeed, on ctf servers, every other second there's someone whining about wanting to join this clan or leaving that clan.
I don't see what's the point of having clans if there's no games played. What's up with that?
Maybe having a NA 2vs2 tourney soon to get the whole clan thing started? I'd be happy help set one up, I really enjoyed the 1on1 tourney.
Agreed with nifrek "
I don't see what's the point of having clans if there's no games played. What's up with that?":]
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k0jak wrote:Agreed with nifrek
"I don't see what's the point of having clans if there's no games played. What's up with that?"
Because you aren't a good player unless your name has a prefix in brackets. Also, colors, lots of blinding colors.-
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[-z-] wrote:k0jak wrote:Agreed with nifrek
"I don't see what's the point of having clans if there's no games played. What's up with that?"
Because you aren't a good player unless your name has a prefix in brackets. Also, colors, lots of blinding colors.
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As long as we're on the subject of stupid annoying color madness (TM), is there some way to prepend an override color (say, white) to *everything* in chat text? I'd like to be able to read stuff occasionally. Color codes are great for team_say stuff, but I've really had it with trying to figure out people's names.
I'm looking at you, Oblivion.
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nexbender wrote:As long as we're on the subject of stupid annoying color madness (TM), is there some way to prepend an override color (say, white) to *everything* in chat text? I'd like to be able to read stuff occasionally. Color codes are great for team_say stuff, but I've really had it with trying to figure out people's names.
I'm looking at you, Oblivion.
Indeed, black in names (and sometimes grey) is unreadable, and should be banned (at the very least).- :)
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Golden Robot wrote:nexbender wrote:As long as we're on the subject of stupid annoying color madness (TM), is there some way to prepend an override color (say, white) to *everything* in chat text? I'd like to be able to read stuff occasionally. Color codes are great for team_say stuff, but I've really had it with trying to figure out people's names.
I'm looking at you, Oblivion.
Indeed, black in names (and sometimes grey) is unreadable, and should be banned (at the very least).
Obby kindly changed to gray last night for me. I don't mind gray. At least it's one color and not black. I don't want to see any colors banned. Let ppl do as they like with their colors. I just want to be able to override them as I see fit.-
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In 2.4: r_textbrightness 0.5 - maps black to grey, grey to a brighter grey, blue to a brighter blue, etc.1. Open Notepad
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divVerent wrote:In 2.4: r_textbrightness 0.5 - maps black to grey, grey to a brighter grey, blue to a brighter blue, etc.
Nice, thank you, div. I don't suppose you know off the top of your head what could cause input lag on a laptop? - http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=2229 - going kinda buggy here at work. :/-
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Actually, I made that cvar before you asked - I need it for my font.1. Open Notepad
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You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.-
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torus wrote:There are a few long standing clans, such as MoN and PB and BOT, which I imagine are truly communities unto themselves.
Bots won't die. 
Golden Robot wrote:Indeed, black in names (and sometimes grey) is unreadable, and should be banned (at the very least).
Noes!
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Don't you crybabies have any other problems? People using clantags... colored nicknames.. wtf you sound like my neighbours complaining about me using the flush after 10pm
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Urmel wrote:colored nicknames..
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It's impossible to control who's in your clan, considering it only consists of adding the clans initials to the front of your name. I've noticed that people have put my [EV] in front of their names without my permission. I really don't appreciate it, and that falls into the category of depleting the gaming community.
I'm sure Illuminati wouldn't appreciate it if everyone put the [I] in front of their name. Clans are for people of the same skill level, or different groups, to have a small inter-community.
Please, everyone who reads this, that is, don't abuse the clans, and don't use the clan name if you aren't really in the clan. I realize it's the honor system, and some may not want to follow that. We are a community, and everyone in the community have to work to keep it a good community.~ Vanquish ~- Vanquish
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vanquish, you bring up a good point but sadly, I feel like your comment may go unseen by said offenders.-
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Yeah, I noticed there are a lot of young kids who suddenly started playing (or maybe it was always the case, it's just more obvious now?), it's a bit complicated to explain that some things are rude to a 8-9 years old. I tried to teach a few things to one last week and he was asking so many questions. I had a hard time explaining to him why it was rude to typekill people, especially if you just asked them a question and you kill then while they're answering. You know, when they're in that "why?" phase
He also didn't understand the concept of clans, to him it was just a tag you put on your name that looks cool. So yeah I understand it's annoying. But you know, I don't think this is to be taken seriously, not yet anyway as there's no point for clans without matches being played.
I mean matches don't have to be official ones, they can be practice between clans, you know, "scrimmages", develop some strats and stuff. Why is it not happening?- nifrek
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Some months ago, when I last played Nexuiz, I encouraged various north american players to create clans. My reasoning for this is because I wanted to see people improve and I wanted to participate in clan vs clan matches with advanced strategy and gameplay.
I found that some people weren't interested in forming clans for various reasons. I think some of it was just the cool factor where they thought joining a clan was dorky or whatever. I really don't know the real reasons because they were vague. Some people showed a little bit of interest, but they didn't act on it. Some people didn't know how to form or join a clan, so I started this basic tutorial to help some of them. http://www.nullgaming.com/clans.html
Aside from not liking the word "clan" itself (I think they should be called teams or something else), the thought of having clan members training together to work on team communication, strategy, technique, etc...is the thing that really kept me interested in Nexuiz. That was the holy grail that I was searching for. That is why I joined TSA (www.stormassault.com). If there aren't other clans to match, then obviously that plan fizzles.
So, if there are more clans being created, then that is good news. It might prompt me to consider playing Nexuiz again soon. Though, I do need to build a gaming machine first. My laptop is getting a bit old.- Dokujisan
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I know the reason to be in a clan. Clan members share information, be it strategies, tricks, etc. more freely than they would share with non-members. After joining the clan I am in, I learned a great deal, which has made me a much better player. Clan matches would be tons of fun, but at the moment, I'll be content with sharing game knowledge with my clan- Longhorn
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Usil's clan?
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I didn't think Usil was serious about his clan. I mean, I thought he was just doing that as a joke to fiill up the screen with a bunch of [ I ] names.
It's cool that you're learning things from it. That is what it should be about, IMO.- Dokujisan
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Usil isn't serious with the clan, but I have gained knowledge and shared it with my clanmates much more freely than with non-members. Usil doesn't need to be serious, he owns all of NA nexuiz-wise- Longhorn
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Clans is good for learning tips and tricks I am sure.
But I really wonder why there is so few clan matches or practice games being played, I think it's everyones fault including mine
I mean there are hardly anyone asking for matches...
It's my belief that irc is the best place for organizing matches, and we have #nexuiz, #nexuiz.ladder and #nexuiz.tourney as the main channels (quakenet), maybe we could add one more with some kind of match/gather/mix bot.
Of course some of us is busy with other stuff irl so it can be hard for some to be active, but many can play, and if you can play - play!-
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I have a feeling some clan matches will be getting organized soon. There's a lot of eager players within the community. Threads like this certainly help stir the pot and get everyone's gears turning.
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I've been playing a while, just didn't feel like signing up here until I saw this thread.
Clans are created for the following reasons:
To learn and share experience
To gather a group of friends to have friendly matches with
To have scrimmages/wars
Some cases to take over or be the best possible
There isn't much happening in respect to the wars, we had two back last year but after that no one came to us. In fact one of the clans finished because they lost? or had enough of losing? Who knows.
As for clan control IMO, It needs to be kept friendly, helpful and atmospheric, any clan members who argue with other players are not acceptable. the clan tag stealing thing can be avoided by adding those wildcard characters into the tags. most kids don't know how to use them. I've never had the problem of people stealing tags though, Also taking anyone under 15 i'd say is a bit foolish for a clan, the last thing the community needs is a bunch of kids yelling "OMG U SUK!" "GTFO NEWB" and yada yada yada. Yeah there can be people who are like that at 20+ and for that fact they should be banished from the game like I believe "Punkbuster" has started implimenting.
Clans shouldn't really have huge amounts of people either, I like to keep mine to a small amount, I currently have 5 and my aim is 7. I've seen a few with like 20 members,players it's like. Why would you have all those? You surely can't be using all those players positively.
Anyway If you can somehow manage to read through that, then congratulations. I know It's all senseless jumble but it's 5:20AM and really I don't care about my typing right about now.- Xandria
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Xandria wrote:Clans shouldn't really have huge amounts of people either, I like to keep mine to a small amount, I currently have 5 and my aim is 7. I've seen a few with like 20 members,players it's like. Why would you have all those? You surely can't be using all those players positively.
I agree 100% with that.
That was the main criticism that I had with Usil's clan when he was creating it. He has like 12 people or something. That's too many. He said the reason was so he could fill up the top spots on the DM servers with his clan's name. So it was about ego boosting, basically.
Longhorn, just because Usil beat everyone at DM doesn't mean that he would be as effective in CTF. Kojn admits that he isn't nearly the same player in CTF that he is in DM, for example. It's a different set of skills. His DM skillset can't overcome a good strategy and team cohesiveness. Just something to consider.- Dokujisan
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Dokujisan wrote:Kojn admits that he isn't nearly the same player in CTF that he is in DM, for example. It's a different set of skills.
Oh, is he a better player at CTF there?
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