Ok a little background info about this post:
Many of you know about rocket flying. It's looking like the devs are going to remove the rocket flying ability.

Why it shouldn't be changed:
As inficio said:

i feel they had it *so* right before they started messing around.

(http://www.nexuizninjaz.com/forum/showt ... 959#pid959)
I too feel exactly the same about this. It's been perfect so why mess with it? Ok, lets list some reasons.

• Slows the game down
• Becomes a bit like quake (how there isn't really any RL jumps)
• The game becomes less enjoyable

Don't Get Me Wrong:
I LOVE the new 2.4 menu. It's a great look. I think it will attract many new players. My only issue is with the new rocket thing.

What we're trying to do:
This is a bit like a partition, just post saying you agree then vote yes on the poll. As I'd hope the devs would value forum users opinions.

Please feel free to help me add to my little list of reasons.

No, rocket-flying is lame, it's like cheating.
First, when I heared it's gonna be removed I was shocked too, but think about it... it ruins the game.
Of course, it's useful on some maps, and gives you a good boost, but on most CTF maps where people actually USE it, it simply ruins the whole game, it's like "once you get the flag, you've scored"
no way for 99% of the players to do something about it...

And it's not removed completely, if you play on {} you'll notice that it can still help you out

the difference is, that now, it is not idiot-proof anymore
and I think that's what you're complaining about

Personally I don't really care if it's back or not, I only used it when I saw players from the other team using it in the match I would be currently playing, otherwise I would feel like I was showing off.

I have to admit tho that mid-air rocket boosts are unique to Nexuiz, and that's probably the best reason I can think of that it should not be removed. But I don't know if it's a good enough reason.

AND... it's a simple cvar that can be changed back to 0, so it's up to server admins to decide or not if they want to adopt the change.

So I am not voting because there's no option for "I don't mind if it stays or not".

I feel happy about the RL changes. I never liked the cheat, and never used it either.

Blµb wrote:And it's not removed completely, if you play on {} you'll notice that it can still help you out

Then that needs to be fixed also imo.

Okay, if this poll continues as it is going, I'll also make a cvar for not a time-based check, but a range-based. Then it will not be possible at ALL to hit yourself with a remote detonated rocket.

it's like "once you get the flag, you've scored"

nope.

and whats the point of a Capture the flag game if no one can capture the flag .. akak

No one can capture the flag? is more like the result of the change. A nice balanced game...

Oh, and new feature: g_balance_rocketlauncher_detonatedelay -1 now inhibits ANY remote detonation if it could hit yourself.

BTW, without this thread I probably wouldn't have thought about removing it in 2.4 already. I wanted just the option to turn rocket boosting off in 2.4 (but keep RBs possible by default), and decide on a sane default later.

But now that there is this thread, maybe we can change this in 2.4 already... depending on the results of this poll.

In any case, on MY server, RBing will stay off.

Blµb wrote:No, rocket-flying is lame, it's like cheating.

How so? A quick movement comes at the expense of a large drop in health. You can hardly rocketboost away when you're dying, as it knocks your health down by about 80. If anything at all is done to the rocketboost, they should increase the self-inflicted rocket damage by a small amount and limit the boosts per jump to two, not remove it completely. I like the fluidity of movement when rocketboosting. Everything feels more natural, the game moves faster, and you have split seconds where you have to decide if the compromise in health introduced by the boost is worth it, adding another layer of strategy to the game.

morfar wrote:I never liked the cheat, and never used it either.

Oh, rocketboosing is "cheating" now? I was under the impression that the remote detonation feature was intentionally coded.

Now that we have THREE settings for it, and a clear yes for reducing or getting rid of rocket boosting... I'll make a second thread with all three choices.

All I can think of to fix the matter is to:

1. Leave rocketboosing the way it is
2. Increase self-inflicted damage
3. Decrease the number of boosts per jump to two
4. Make rocketboosting a votable variable, ON by default

On a different, but related note, let's remove the hook too, which is "worse" than rocketboosting in a sense. The grappling hook, to use someone else's words, "is lame, it's like cheating." It allows a player to gain an unfair speed advantage, but without a drop in health, unlike rocketboosting.

One might argue, "EVERYONE CAN USE T3H HOOK THO LOL!!" While that may be true, everyone can pick up a rocket spawn just as easily as everyone else. The point is, to remove the boost but keep the hook is a bit foolish; grappling hook is already votable on most servers, so why not do the same with rocketboosting rather than removing it completely?

shaggy wrote:[b]
[*]Becomes a bit like quake (how there isn't really any RL jumps)

quake and rocket jumps ?

quake only invented rocket jumps but short after that no1 ever jumped again ;]

we should all listen to this guy, he knows alot about games

Here's a new poll with more options: http://www.forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=2730


Please participate.