I hate to take this thread off topic, I am very interested in this laser/rocket deflection.

Was it the laser bolt itself hitting the rocket, or the impact splash that caused the deflection?

I think the laser bolt itself hit the rocket. I was shooting parallel to the floor so it shouldn't have hit anything but the rocket. Gotta try this out sometime with two clients in a private game.

But it might be the deflection works even whith the splash push of the laser.

I created another thread for the rocket deflection topic...

http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?p=40362#40362

Judging by how many easy frags I scored with this I think they need to significantly lower the amount of damage the shots do as well as make them use more ammo.

Damn, just fix it.

The game has significantly changed since the uber crylink came to be.
CTF is worthless for me these days

I almost want 2.3 back.

Play on my servers (the "Over the Lazy Dog" ones). These run with the crylink brought to "regular" power.

divVerent wrote:Play on my servers (the "Over the Lazy Dog" ones). These run with the crylink brought to "regular" power.

Thats a step in the right direction

Now If Gault's would just do the same .

I agree with nifrek, the new crylink breaks some CTF maps (and not just dusty and greatwall).

Maybe pull the bounce damage down to 1.2x or so and perhaps lower the refire rate just a tad?

I wouldn't say it takes no skills though, no weapon takes no skills.

I just wanted to bump this thread and add a few other things, aside from the Crylink just ruining CTF maps as well as DM another thing is screwing up this game..SKINS!!

This stick man skin is hard to see sidways, and the one skin thats some woman in a dress is both blue and red..I have no clue what team they are on..
And THE WORST thing EVER is the Kart skin..
PLEASE go back to just the 2 skins on Galts CTF, and if possible the other Galt servers.
This Kart maybe fine in the race mod, but ffs its sucks in regular gameplay.
One of the problems i have found is that lots of players don't come to the forums, they have no clue whats going on with the development of the game, they just play..they are like sheep going to slaughter imo, they just take whatever is thrown at them regardless if the outcome is death or a ruined game and imho this game has gone to shit mostly because of the things i mentioned above, it's not even the same game anymore..its tuned into a clusterfuck.

I'm done ranting..for now

w1ndm1ll wrote:I agree with nifrek, the new crylink breaks some CTF maps (and not just dusty and greatwall).

Maybe pull the bounce damage down to 1.2x or so and perhaps lower the refire rate just a tad?

I wouldn't say it takes no skills though, no weapon takes no skills.

I disagree. The crylink does not have to be carefully aimed, especially when in a tight area.


I've got an idea though, how about moving the secondary fire for the crylink to primary, and the secondary fire will be a "sticky bomb". Sort of like the Magnusson Device from Half Life 2 EP 2, except in the form of crylink projectiles. You would spray the area, and the projectiles would stick to the surface until triggered, or they die.

Tbh I would be happy if the negative velocity was removed, so I could actually dodge it. Its a real bummer on a ctf map when you suddenly drop out of the air because some noob managed to nail you in the face with it.

What will happen with the crylink? Will it be restored to it's original setting?

Because lately, few players (esp. Aki) popped up on euro servers and the ONLY thing he does is sit in base and spams the crylink everywhere. He been doing this for weeks now and every time he plays, I don't enjoy playing CTF cos it's practically impossible to get in enemy's base, let alone grab the flag :/

Some players said that "he got more points than me" - which I tend to differ - crylink takes no skill, it's a no brainer to use and easily mount up points by just spamming the base up with crylink. I specced him- he stood at the empty spot to wait for crylink, once he got it, he held the primary fire on all the way until he dies or runs out of ammo. Rinse and repeat. That how bad it is.

Ever since the Crylink was modified, the ctf has become more annoying and pushed me on countless times to consider stop playing Nexuiz.

If I fails miserably to play the game because of enemy fragging me all the time with RL, Electro, Nex, Mortar etc, i'm fine cos it takes skill and some times their frag on me was awesome. but crylink is never a awesome frag. Just realised this = i've NEVER seen any crylink used as the main frag weapon in FOTM videos :p

For the first time I found the crylink usefull. Make it less powerfull and im happy.

I killed lots of players by doing a crylink shot first, then a RL/Nex/Mortar.

It's a nice weapon when you use it controlled.

Crylink is useful cos of it's spread. But it attracts lots of players (noobs too) to see it as a whore weapon with such power to spams the game up and frag easily. It's too easy to use...

Oat wrote:What will happen with the crylink? Will it be restored to it's original setting?

Because lately, few players (esp. Aki) popped up on euro servers and the ONLY thing he does is sit in base and spams the crylink everywhere. He been doing this for weeks now and every time he plays, I don't enjoy playing CTF cos it's practically impossible to get in enemy's base, let alone grab the flag :/

Some players said that "he got more points than me" - which I tend to differ - crylink takes no skill, it's a no brainer to use and easily mount up points by just spamming the base up with crylink. I specced him- he stood at the empty spot to wait for crylink, once he got it, he held the primary fire on all the way until he dies or runs out of ammo. Rinse and repeat. That how bad it is.

Ever since the Crylink was modified, the ctf has become more annoying and pushed me on countless times to consider stop playing Nexuiz.

If I fails miserably to play the game because of enemy fragging me all the time with RL, Electro, Nex, Mortar etc, i'm fine cos it takes skill and some times their frag on me was awesome. but crylink is never a awesome frag. Just realised this = i've NEVER seen any crylink used as the main frag weapon in FOTM videos :p

Thats what I was trying to say.
You just put it in better words
The thing is just spammed like all hell
tnx

Oat wrote:Because lately, few players (esp. Aki) popped up on euro servers and the ONLY thing he does is sit in base and spams the crylink everywhere. He been doing this for weeks now and every time he plays, I don't enjoy playing CTF cos it's practically impossible to get in enemy's base, let alone grab the flag :/

I agree and can confirm that behaviour of Aki. It is very annoying, especially since many people complain about it during the game and he doesn't react or change his "fighting" style at all.

I really hope the crylink gets fixed. I am not sure whether the negative velocity should be removed, as this might provide useful defensive shots in CTF. But having spread, splash, bounce, negative velocity and a high firing rate at the same time combined with moderately high damage is just too much.

If he is camping with a crylink inside his base, he will never be a good player. That's why I stopped camping for about 7 months ago.

Well, are you still complaining about the 2.4.2 crylink or have you tried the new one in svn?

Because, I think I should close this thread if this is still about 2.4.2. Stop complaining, it's fixed.

divVerent wrote:Well, are you still complaining about the 2.4.2 crylink or have you tried the new one in svn?

Because, I think I should close this thread if this is still about 2.4.2. Stop complaining, it's fixed.

I am using the svn. Still the same effect so does this mean the servers are not updated with them yet?

BTW, thanks for fixing this

It is just slightly changed, to make spam less effective.

But yes, most servers are NOT updated yet. The "lazy dog" servers are, though (actually, those which have the gametype column filled in the server browser are all current enough).

The change basically lets the outer three projectiles fade out after some distance, so long range spamming is no longer effective. Aimed shots (with the center) and close shots (where all projectiles hit) stay as effective, though. Also, the bounce now only has HALF the damage, not the full one.

divVerent wrote:Well, are you still complaining about the 2.4.2 crylink or have you tried the new one in svn?

Because, I think I should close this thread if this is still about 2.4.2. Stop complaining, it's fixed.

uh-oh yes, my traumatic experiences are from other servers than lazy dogs.

Great you fixed this - I recall that sometimes I was playing and noticing the crylink doesn't kill me ALL the time - that must have been on one of the svn servers then.

Oh boy I am so happy this turret-like crylink spraying will have an end - THANK YOU !

I can understand that complaining but a strong weapon can also be used by those complaining Also i would like to remind all of you, that there was a VERY extensive testing period for all the changes in 2.4.2 and hardly anyone complained back then.. Now you will have to bear with your lack of reporting till the next version is out. Which might still take some time as there are quite big internal changes..

well said, esteel, well said

esteel wrote:I can understand that complaining but a strong weapon can also be used by those complaining Also i would like to remind all of you, that there was a VERY extensive testing period for all the changes in 2.4.2 and hardly anyone complained back then.. Now you will have to bear with your lack of reporting till the next version is out. Which might still take some time as there are quite big internal changes..

you are right - but at least for me it is as little fun to make cheap kills with no need to use a certain level of movement/aiming skill as it is to get killed in that way

As for the extensive testing period: at the moment I try to play on svn servers whenever I can. Unfortunately there are not really many svn servers available, and where there are, they are empty most of the time. And even when they're not, I hardly meet any advanced players there. Maybe it was similar during the extensive testing period of the 2.4.2 version?

Up to now, btw, I wouldn't have anything to complain about the current svn version. Good work!

There's nothing wrong with the CL that a little tweaking, (and I do mean 'little'), won't fix.

Personally I think that the nex ruins many maps with open spaces like wall and facing. It's all a question of personal choice and, like esteele says, everyone can use it. It's not just people who suck... like me

old_codger wrote:Personally I think that the nex ruins many maps with open spaces like wall and facing. It's all a question of personal choice and, like esteele says, everyone can use it. It's not just people who suck... like me

But what you fail to realize is that sniping is a part of the game. It's the opposing team's job to get rid of the snipers. Same thing for spawn campers, and campers in general.

Well all those that complained about the cyrlink..

What do you think about the 'new' crylink? You can test it on lazy dog or galts servers too i think! If in doubt visit the irc channel #nexuiz.admins and as the server admins there.. we got a hand full of them to gather there..

I play on Galts all the time and its MUCH better..BUT!
I still think it could be toned down a tad more.
The funny thing is that the spammers keep picking it up and now they are easy to kill

It's strange that so many people that play Nex don't have a clue what its going on with dev, I would say roughly 30% of the people that play Nex have never visited the forum

Well lets see what the others say about it, having a strong weapon is not necessarily a bad thing. Might be a tad off but why would you fight with someone unless you know you can win? Thus you need either a stronger gun or better health/armor or maybe aim, strategy. SLIGHT unbalance creates such an advantage and gets the fight going.

Interest in a forum usually starts when you like a game and played for a while.. Thought maybe pointing at the forum on the next release might be good. And as others mentioned it might not be easy enough yet to see whats going on with the development..

i have done chat with people that have been playing for well over a year and they have never visited the forum, perhaps a forum link on a opening screen would be a good thing.