OK so after spectating a few badass players and bitching loudly to myself about my crappy inability to use the right weapon at the right time, I went ahead and wrote up quick weapon switching alias. Nothing fancy but not exactly what i made:

alias weap3 "impulse 3; bind mwheelup weap4; bind mwheeldown weap2"
alias weap4 "impulse 4; bind mwheelup weap5; bind mwheeldown weap3"
alias weap5 "impulse 5; bind mwheelup weap6; bind mwheeldown weap4"

etc.

Here's the problem I'm having. My mouse wheel doesn't have a 'notch' when it spins so i can't seem to get it to switch weapons reliably. If we were using the above example, let's say i was currently in weap3 and i moved my wheel up, i might end up in weap5 instead of weap4. Since PAUSE has been removed as a command, I can't use that as a fix. Any ideas?

Also, i thought this could be a good place to talk about configs, binds, and all that stuff in general.

When I first started Nexuiz I had problems with weapon switching due to my mousewheel not having a "notch", only spin. My best solution to this is to use key binds on the keyboard near to my movements rather than use the wheels.

My mouse wheel is very jumpy, as it'll randomly move without me touching it. Fed up, I moved my weapon binds to the tilt of the mouse wheel. Later I moved all my weapons to best weapon binds on the keyboard on the keys q,e,r,z,c,f (using wasd for movement). After getting used to it, I haven't looked back. There really is no better way to have weapons bound (on the keyboard that is).

I think there was a thread about binds a while ago.

As mentioned here: http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=1344 if find it best to simply NOT use the mousewheel at all but use the menu (or console) to bind each weapon to a key around the movement keys.

This is what I use: http://www.nexuizninjaz.com/toolz/keyboard/

I have designed a package which is available with a few added extras. It isn't 100% finished yet, so note it may be buggy but if you're interested in the ninja pack, you can get it here. Documentation's inside.

There is no hook key in there. Do you ninjaz ever use the hook or do you not bother?

I just have things bound around my movement keys.

Q - Rocket Launcher
E - Nex
C - Mortar
X - Crylink (a new one, since its so 'useful' now)
F - Laser
R - Machinegun

I'd bind more, but frankly the other weapons are fairly shit imo even if I can use them.

KillaGrunt wrote:There is no hook key in there. Do you ninjaz ever use the hook or do you not bother?

It's bound to my mouse button. I believe that's documented... in the package

Yeah, i just went ahead and bound my script to keys near my movement keys (i'm lefty and use the numberpad so I can't really use other peoples' prefabs) and it works well. Although with my TS talk key, +zoom key, impulse 1 key, 2 weapon switching keys etc, i've gotten a bit confused lol.

good thing about my numpad setup is there's only so many buttons to abuse. Just glad there's no reloading in this game!

I really like the TS auto-activation where you can configure it to activate when you speak loud enough. Maybe if you swear a lot its not that good

I frown upon voice-activated voip except in the telephone setting. Voice activated for games has all kinds of issues, especially if the person using it uses speakers. Even with their headphones up a little too loud, the voice activated player causes echo. Not to mention the heavy / mouth breathers, kids yelling at their moms to bring them some chocolate milk, background noise from gf, TV , barking dog, etc etc etc.

In my Planetside outfit, Eve corp, quake clans, voice activated was forbidden, and you could be banned from the TS server for multiple violations

Alright, while there's a subject kinda related to this... Kinda ashamed to say this, but yeah I use weapprev/weapnext binds (not on mouse wheel tho). So I'm one of those people throwing away the hagar and even sometimes the crylink because they're in the way.

I was wondering, will it ever be possible to change weapon order when using weapprev/next?

I thought the cycleweapon command would fix this, but unfortunately it is useless for me, because if I want to switch 2 weapons down (by pressing the key 2 times quickly) it'll only switch once, not twice. So I have to wait for the first switch to be finished before pressing the key again. I suppose this is due to the fact that info is sent to server and client is waiting for response before switching. I heard someone say that maybe this could be fixed by csqc, but I wouldn't know exactly how it would work.

I believe my reasons to use weapnext/weapprev are valid even if I understand that having each weapon bound to keys is probably the best way to go. It's simple: I do not want to have to leave ANY of my fingers from my movement keys to switch weapons. I've never been able to use my pinky for anything, and I use alt (weapprev) and spacebar (weapnext) with my thumb to switch weapons. So especially during duels, depending who I'm playing, it can be annoying because if I have to control all the weapons on the map, either I need to find lava to throw away some weapons or switch to the wrong weapons all the time. Switching to hagar when I want nex kinda suck, as well as switching to crylink when I want mortar or electro

nifrek wrote:I was wondering, will it ever be possible to change weapon order when using weapprev/next?

I came up with this to change weapon order/skip weapons using next and previous. Replace the full weapon names (without spaces) on the first 2 lines with the ones that you want to cycle and in the order you want to cycle them (reverse the order of line 1 for line 2). The number on the third line is how much idle time you have before it changes weapons, so you can cycle through weapons without selecting them. As you cycle, it will echo the current weapon at the top of the screen.

Just bind "weap_next" and "weap_prev" to the keys/mousewheel/whatever that you want to use.

The only problem is that there's no way to detect which weapons you currently have, so you always have to cycle. Look for aliases with the impulse commands in them and change those to cycleweapon if you want to have fallbacks for missing weapons.

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set weap_order_up "laser shotgun machinegun mortar nex rocketlauncher"
set weap_order_down "rocketlauncher nex mortar machinegun shotgun laser"
set weap_switch_delay 0.08

set weap_var "shotgun"
set weap_imp "shotgun"
alias weap_get_impulse "weap_imp $weap_var; weap_convert_var"
alias weap_convert_var "toggle weap_imp laser 1 shotgun 2 machinegun 3 mortar 4 electro 5 crylink 6 nex 7 hagar 8 rocketlauncher 9"

set wp1 0
set wp2 0
set wp3 0
set wp4 0
set wp5 0
set wp6 0
set wp7 0
set wp8 0
set wp9 0

alias weap_next "toggle weap_var $weap_order_up ; weap_queue"
alias weap_prev "toggle weap_var $weap_order_down ; weap_queue"
alias weap_queue "echo $weap_var; weap_get_impulse; weap_request"
alias weap_request "weap_select $weap_imp"
alias weap_select "defer $weap_switch_delay weap_select_$1; weap_cancel;wp$1 1"
alias weap_cancel "wp1 0;wp2 0; wp3 0; wp4 0; wp5 0; wp6 0; wp7 0; wp8 0; wp9 0"

alias weap_select_1 "weap_select_1_$wp1"
alias weap_select_1_0 ""
alias weap_select_1_1 "impulse 1"

alias weap_select_2 "weap_select_2_$wp2"
alias weap_select_2_0 ""
alias weap_select_2_1 "impulse 2"

alias weap_select_3 "weap_select_3_$wp3"
alias weap_select_3_0 ""
alias weap_select_3_1 "impulse 3"

alias weap_select_4 "weap_select_4_$wp4"
alias weap_select_4_0 ""
alias weap_select_4_1 "impulse 4"

alias weap_select_5 "weap_select_5_$wp5"
alias weap_select_5_0 ""
alias weap_select_5_1 "impulse 5"

alias weap_select_6 "weap_select_6_$wp6"
alias weap_select_6_0 ""
alias weap_select_6_1 "impulse 6"

alias weap_select_7 "weap_select_7_$wp7"
alias weap_select_7_0 ""
alias weap_select_7_1 "impulse 7"

alias weap_select_8 "weap_select_8_$wp8"
alias weap_select_8_0 ""
alias weap_select_8_1 "impulse 8"

alias weap_select_9 "weap_select_9_$wp9"
alias weap_select_9_0 ""
alias weap_select_9_1 "impulse 9"

Nice.

Just to be sure I understand, if I press the prev key, it'll cycle thru weapons and wait 0.08sec (of whatever delay is set to) is finished, then switch to that weapon? I think this could work for me, I'll give it a try tonight or tomorrow. It's possible it's going to take me a while to get used to it, but if there is no plan to "fix" this directly in nexuiz, I'll probably have to use something like this.

Thanks a lot for the script, I appreciate it a lot.

nifrek wrote:Just to be sure I understand, if I press the prev key, it'll cycle thru weapons and wait 0.08sec (of whatever delay is set to) is finished, then switch to that weapon?

Basically, yeah. Just like the normal next/prev commands, if you press the keys/roll the wheel fast enough, it will skip weapons instead of pulling up each one in between. If you don't press a key for 0.08 seconds, it will switch to the last selected weapon. Tweak that time if it feels too fast or too slow. I don't scroll through weapons anymore, so I'm not sure what the default time is. I just set it to what felt right.

Alright so I did some testing. I was on a server in warmup mode. After playing around with the delay, I finally set it to 0.0001 in the script. I started playing around on a map and I was like "OMG! YAY! IT WORKSDG!!!KLJHKJFH!!!!" It was absolutely perfect. It was exactly the same as using normal weapprev/next binds, no delay between switches.

Yep, I felt pretty stupid when I actually started to play a match, I was so enthusiastic that I forgot that you obviously made the delay function and the weapon names echoing at the top for the fact that the script can't know which weapons you have/don't have. So yeah, it's absolutely perfect in warmup because you have all weapons, but if I have only electro + rl, it's useless because I'd have to press weap_prev 3 times to make combos. hehe. It gets a bit confusing during fights when things are going fast

I guess the good news is I can finally play LMS now, so thanks a lot again for this script. I always wanted to play this mode for so long but since I couldn't throw weapons away it was impossible for me to do weapon combos.

I'm guessing CSQC would indeed be the only way to fix this but I don't suppose there's anyone up to working on this for now.