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[ Collaboration ] Front Page Video for Nexuiz 2.5
Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:00 pm

  • With 2.5 in the not too distant future, we want to be ready to show off some of the new features Nexuiz has to offer. New weapons, new effects, new maps, scoreboard, radar and a PILE OF OPTIONS (returned to and expanded upon) in the menu.

    UPDATES here!

    feb-16:

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    - We are discussing how to best record and edit the footage.
    - Cortez has volunteered to collect demos record in high quality with ultimate settings.
    - We're figuring out what content the video should have

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    - Some one or some people to edit the video
    - Content Submissions

    Current Content Suggestions
    - Cool frags/situations with every weapon, primary and secondary modes. Trying to not repeat maps between each take. If possible use new official maps.
    - Race and ONS modes
    - Try to show new CTF flags and ammo pickups
    - A quick walk around the new menu

    notable As a suggestion, perhaps use some of the FOTM material since there is plenty of it. If people still have the demos, re-record it in high quality.

    Current volunteers for content
    - divVerent : Race


    I have content for this video, what should I do?
    Upload your demos somewhere with a timestamp(s) or cut with the demo tool if you're into that sorta thing.

    tips about content
    esteel wrote:Well the most important thing is to have a NICE looking video or maybe several that shows off the next Nexuiz release. So this is something for people using a current svn checkout!!!
    And thus all the new stuff should be visible at least, maybe even highlighting them. All the new guns, the new effects, the new hud, the changed menu, stuff like the new coronas that light up depending on how much of them is visible, the ballistic bullets, the new maps and gamemodes..




    old news
    We've tried this before but didn't have much luck.

    We're looking for a motivated individual or group of players that can work together to produce an enticing video for www.nexuiz.com to replace the current one.


    I know there are plenty of talented video editors and demo cutters in this mix, many whom has already submitted some epic clips and montages. I'd love to see some of that sort of content in this video.


    If you have any questions, you know where to find me.
    Last edited by [-z-] on Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:55 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:03 pm

  • i could record

    so if anyone needs something encode in ultimate settings just ask
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:27 pm

  • Lets discuss a little what to show on this movie. I think it should be an impressive video with an extremely simple script, just like the approach taken for the 2.4 video, So this is what I would like to see for 2.5:

    - Cool frags/situations with every weapon, primary and secondary modes. Trying to not repeat maps between each take. If possible use new official maps.
    - Race and ONS modes
    - Try to show new CTF flags and ammo pickups
    - A quick walk around the new menu

    Please anyone having something worth to be displayed in this movie please upload the demo and post here. This way it can be exported to video later for those wanting to record, using the same settings (brightness, fps, sizes, etc) for all takes.

    What should be the video specs?

    Once we get this video done it should be given to [-z-] so he can upload it to the homepage.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:28 pm

  • As a suggestion, perhaps use some of the FOTM material since there is plenty of it. If people still have the demos, re-record it in high quality.
    Possibly not the worst mapper in the world.

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Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:37 pm

  • Well the most important thing is to have a NICE looking video or maybe several that shows off the next Nexuiz release. So this is something for people using a current svn checkout!!!
    And thus all the new stuff should be visible at least, maybe even highlighting them. All the new guns, the new effects, the new hud, the changed menu, stuff like the new coronas that light up depending on how much of them is visible, the ballistic bullets, the new maps and gamemodes..
    I think there is something for everyone that wants to help :)
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:57 pm

  • I will soon have lots of AVIs of the race records done on my server in 1280x720, ultimate quality. If that's of any use, I can upload them somewhere, or provide the .dem files.
    1. Open Notepad
    2. Paste: ÿþMSMSMS
    3. Save
    4. Open the file in Notepad again

    You can vary the number of "MS", so you can clearly see it's MS which is causing it.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:22 pm

  • To make it good, you ultimately need to have one person that records the footaga in HQ and also edits it, so this person should be provided the demos and times of the scenes that are worth to be included.

    To keep the length short you'll have to be picky about the scenes (or, well, features) you want to show, and you also have think about how maybe several features could be shown at once in one scene. Just as example, even though there are a few new little graphical effects here and there, I wouldn't create a scene specifically for each effect, nor try hard to have every effect included somewhere at least once.

    Try to group changes and probably work with texts to make stuff clear that needs to be made clear, but only if you want the movie to be in some kind of "movie trailer" style.

    Tbh to make something good is extremely difficult and also needs one person who is experienced in doing game movies, otherwise the movie will just seem like a pool of scenes thrown together.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:37 pm

  • cortez wrote:i could record

    so if anyone needs something encode in ultimate settings just ask


    So perhaps everyone should submit demos to cortez with timestamps so he can record?

    For the website I'll need an flv file as well as medium and high res (h264) downloads.


    How are your video editing skills?
    Would someone else like to edit / help with editing?



    As mand1nga noted a proper list is needed for what should be in the video. I will update the original post with suggestions.
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:58 pm

  • GreEn`mArine wrote:Tbh to make something good is extremely difficult and also needs one person who is experienced in doing game movies, otherwise the movie will just seem like a pool of scenes thrown together.


    Please lets focus on having something first, without transitions, just raw in-game action like the 2.4 trailer. I really think that should be good enough.
    Then if we get some extremely skilled editor and enough time we can add transitions later. Otherwise I think nobody will miss them.

    I think the "new" Nexuiz music theme fits perfectly a video of this kind. I strongly recommend using it :)
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:00 pm

  • [-z-] wrote:How are your video editing skills?
    Would someone else like to edit / help with editing?


    i just can line up some cilps, so im not the right person for editing

    when there is someone who do the editing, tell me what resolution and bitrate the clips
    should have
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:42 pm

  • Will 2.5 be released in the next , uhm.., 3 months?
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Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:24 pm

  • esteel wrote:In even less time :P

    is that a new record? :)
    if so i could contribute some things
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:32 pm

  • A collaborated front page video, sounds frigging awesome! As I guess it could also be a Youtube popularity-gainer video too if it happens to be that cool!

    First we need a conception, and of course a background music. The tension-building in nowadays presentation videos / trailers is extremely fashionable, also the usage of orchestral elements too, so I highly recommend these two things to be implemented.

    If there is a music already made, plz could anyone link it? If not, I recommend to speak it together how it should build up, and how long it should be. What I mean like this: (just a fast example i didnt even think how it would look)

    - 5 second slow startup with an intro image, that will blend somehow into the movie
    - 25-30 second of medium paced rhythm where you show the new weapons along with the new effects.
    - 15 sec of total slowdown slow flyarounds on new maps in slowmo, for tension build, come frags that look cool in slowmo etc
    - then boom: 30 sec of extremely intense, general fighting seconds with FOTM frags, with the last seconds constantly speeding up, and then comes a sudden cut
    - 4-5 sec of float-like ending with cutting back the title and some motto like: "let's pwn the world" and stuffs, don't know :D

    It's like 1,5 mins, so its not even too short or long (or boring to watch)

    Im pretty sure it would really hit big if the music wasnt just some constant paced techno stuff (well it can also be mixed with orchestra, like almost all style...), but with speedup and stuffs, so the viewer truly enjoys it.

    If you wanna see how professionals make it in 40 secs
    http://www.videocopilot.net/products/proscores/
    Yeah this one is abuse of orchestra i know :D (because they are to sell that collection-product) But the buildup is similar to the one I recommended, so you get the point.

    I imagine sth like this, with maybe a well fitting techno base. Orchestral parts can be cut out from those creative common license musics that were mentioned earlier, but i guess its hard to obtain them. I REALLY know how much the resources are limited, this is just a conception idea to give base others to their ideas too maybe. I really hope there are some guys capable of making a very high quality video this game deserves, I would say I would do it, but I just started messing with After Effect not so long ago, so im sure there are many guys who can do it much better.

    For FOTM posts the ones I really recommend are GreEn's january post, and Kojn's earlier post where he electropwned someone midair, dont miss them :P
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  • ai wrote:FOTY can't be the one. For the simple reason that this game has to be appealing to as many people as possibly. So showing only "hardcore" super cool stuff that only the experienced players can do, can throw off newbies. They might think it's too intense and that they wouldn't stand a chance and die all the time.
    I didn't like that aspect of Quake 3 Arena too much before and I was a newbie and no way to beat those crazy guys who hits everything every time.


    Morphed wrote:hardcore stuff done by hardcores looks easy and natural :) , keep in mind that only purpose of this video is to make people install the game, after that they can love it or hate it but video did its job, game is on hdd and ready to play :)

    but that dont mean you should only show tripple mid-air mortars where you both are falling into the void ;) some balance need to be made, and dont show too much nexgun shots, they are rather boring to watch after while, quick turn, *click* and action is over ;P, and for gods sake dont show facing worlds in this movie, its sniper map made for fun and it looks bad :P
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  • --FraNcoTirAdoR-- wrote:First we need a conception, and of course a background music. The tension-building in nowadays presentation videos / trailers is extremely fashionable, also the usage of orchestral elements too, so I highly recommend these two things to be implemented.

    ...


    Well i see no reason to only have ONE video, i think the homepage has enough space to show 2 or 3. Maybe even have one 'gameplay video' that shows all the stuff, from the menu, to changing the menu skin, maybe the playermodel, choosing a server and then just a few minutes playing. And then one 'highlights' video that shows insane frags, god like aim, kojn getting fragged and such unholy things :D
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:31 pm

  • esteel wrote:Well i see no reason to only have ONE video, i think the homepage has enough space to show 2 or 3.


    Well we have a media page I think extra videos can go on, I don't think putting bunch on the front page is the right move.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:38 pm

  • what about one trailer for nexuiz ( like franco suggested) and one footage video which contains lot of different stuff?
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:18 pm

  • cortez wrote:what about one trailer for nexuiz ( like franco suggested) and one footage video which contains lot of different stuff?


    Sounds cool, and yeah, maybe its strange to create only 1 video for all: you know, for the menu messing, speedrun, frags, weapons, effects, different game modes etc, it just wont fit in, without making it way too long (= boring)
    Nexuiz really needs a professionally made, exciting trailer anyways, you know, as I said combining it with such a powerful community-share enviroment as Youtube it can gain extreme and constantly growing popularity even on long term.

    I also agree with [-z-], different videos on 1 site might not look so cool, and can be also confusing, but hey, how about a "What's new in 2.5?" highlighted and well designed link to new page, im sure many guys would appriciate it. So when you click on it you can watch in an "average" video (still cool frags etc, but more building for the information role) telling whats new, and under it some lines of text writing a little more about the changes. I'm sure it will be clicked often enough by default since human is a really curious specie :D
    So it could also mean that it wont cause problems to select between new features which ones to implement, and also to add cool frags and nice movements to keep the excitement level up, because most could fit into the "informing" movie, without really big length restrictions.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:31 pm

  • If there are to be more than one video, i would propose a "history / timeline" also included in the "what is new in 2.5?"-video which would show a couple of seconds of the older versions being played before the "2.5 new" material.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:05 pm

  • ai wrote:FOTY can't be the one. For the simple reason that this game has to be appealing to as many people as possibly. So showing only "hardcore" super cool stuff that only the experienced players can do, can throw off newbies. They might think it's too intense and that they wouldn't stand a chance and die all the time.
    I didn't like that aspect of Quake 3 Arena too much before and I was a newbie and no way to beat those crazy guys who hits everything every time.


    Thats why speed differences could make them see both world: clean and easily visible frags for the slower part, and intense, weapon-combination filled pwnage for the faster part so they can see this game actually can be more than just click... walk (with arrow keys :D)... click... walk.... click... frag...
    Also a video showing some advanced stuffs has encouraging effect, at least in my opinion.


    Morphed wrote:but that dont mean you should only show tripple mid-air mortars where you both are falling into the void ;)

    roflmao :D

    ai wrote:Would be ideal to have Morphed's models as well. Who wants to persuade him?

    omg, how true... that means the surprise models need to be revealed for the creator of the video :P
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:31 pm

  • why are all talking about the content?

    first we need someone who does the editing, then we can decide what we can put into the video.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:14 pm

  • Talking about music I was waiting for brue to finish his intro and use that intro for making nexuiz intro, but he disappeared, so... There is still that old version. Nexuiz 2.5 version intro can be done by anyone and can also include somebody's speech to present new features in a vocal form (e.g here we can see a new weapon, which is called camping rifle. It's headshots are lethal, but you need some practice to aim it correctly because of new ballistic model...) Video shows an example of cr headshot or smth.

    Talking about trailer, maybe some upload space is required where people could upload their best (not only skillful, but also funny, lucky, etc...) 5 shots. Later the producer could watch through and place the cuts into the movie according to the plan & music beat.
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  • Neat music ;) This could be a cool one for the trailer :P
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:40 pm

  • Franco:
    professional = videocopilot? lol
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  • Fisume! wrote:Franco:
    professional = videocopilot? lol


    Yep, that guy makes effecting for living :P
    The point is anyway the tension that the music contains, thats what i wanted to point out. Well as I saw, the music that shaggy linked (Broken light) was really cool in that meaning, but too long of course (yeah i know it can be cut.. :P). Just trying to give the idea, not to put a flat techno-like stuff under it, if it can be avoided.

    If cortez would make the recording in ultimate quality, it would be very cool, at least we have a man for that job :) I recommend to capture it at least on 240 fps just as pavlvs did on his "Octobre" video, and reencode it to 30 with motion blur. Still noone willing to make the editing job?

    Also something I could help in: I could create the starting first seconds of the video with the "Nexuiz" title being sliced apart with laser or dunno, and then a zooming in for the video that comes, or sth like that, so.. a dynamic start.
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:14 pm

  • --FraNcoTirAdoR-- wrote:I recommend to capture it at least on 240 fps just as pavlvs did on his "Octobre" video, and reencode it to 30 with motion blur.


    Wasn't it 480 fps? Yes I think the correct value is 480 = 16*30. Otherwise the effect is not so soft and clean.
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